WEBVTT 00:00:04.228 --> 00:00:05.770 align:middle line:84% BRIANNA BLASER: Thank you, everybody, 00:00:05.770 --> 00:00:06.760 align:middle line:90% for joining us today. 00:00:06.760 --> 00:00:08.083 align:middle line:90% My name is Brianna Blazer. 00:00:08.083 --> 00:00:10.500 align:middle line:84% I'm with the DO-IT Center at the University of Washington. 00:00:10.500 --> 00:00:13.540 align:middle line:84% And I am so excited to have a good turnout today, 00:00:13.540 --> 00:00:16.560 align:middle line:84% and I'm excited for this presentation. 00:00:16.560 --> 00:00:19.440 align:middle line:84% Rua Williams is joining us from Purdue University, 00:00:19.440 --> 00:00:24.340 align:middle line:84% and Martina Svyantek from University of Virginia. 00:00:24.340 --> 00:00:27.360 align:middle line:84% And I was really excited about this book chapter 00:00:27.360 --> 00:00:31.290 align:middle line:84% that they wrote about telecommuting, 00:00:31.290 --> 00:00:34.540 align:middle line:84% and the future of that, and the pandemic. 00:00:34.540 --> 00:00:37.280 align:middle line:84% And I think it's ripe to have these conversations. 00:00:37.280 --> 00:00:40.470 align:middle line:84% So I'm so excited that they are here to join us today. 00:00:40.470 --> 00:00:42.810 align:middle line:90% Just a little housekeeping. 00:00:42.810 --> 00:00:46.800 align:middle line:84% If you want to turn on the automatic captions, 00:00:46.800 --> 00:00:48.525 align:middle line:84% go down to the bottom of your screen 00:00:48.525 --> 00:00:50.400 align:middle line:84% and you'll see where it says Live Transcript, 00:00:50.400 --> 00:00:53.020 align:middle line:90% and you can turn those on. 00:00:53.020 --> 00:00:55.440 align:middle line:84% And then somebody asked if it's going to be recorded. 00:00:55.440 --> 00:00:57.780 align:middle line:90% It is being recorded. 00:00:57.780 --> 00:01:00.570 align:middle line:84% We will send it to everybody who is registered 00:01:00.570 --> 00:01:02.959 align:middle line:84% after it is live on our website, which normally takes us 00:01:02.959 --> 00:01:04.709 align:middle line:84% a little time because we make sure that we 00:01:04.709 --> 00:01:08.560 align:middle line:84% get it professionally captioned before we get it up there. 00:01:08.560 --> 00:01:13.590 align:middle line:84% I'm also going to drop a link in the chat to a Google form. 00:01:13.590 --> 00:01:16.920 align:middle line:84% If you go there, you should be able to ask some questions 00:01:16.920 --> 00:01:20.220 align:middle line:84% if you want to put some questions in for Rua 00:01:20.220 --> 00:01:20.940 align:middle line:90% and Martina. 00:01:20.940 --> 00:01:23.790 align:middle line:84% And so with that, I'm going to turn it over to them. 00:01:23.790 --> 00:01:27.660 align:middle line:90% And we'll get started. 00:01:27.660 --> 00:01:29.090 align:middle line:84% MARTINA SVYANTEK: Thanks so much. 00:01:29.090 --> 00:01:33.110 align:middle line:84% I'm moving Zoom meeting screens around, 00:01:33.110 --> 00:01:36.030 align:middle line:84% pulling up our PowerPoint slides. 00:01:38.810 --> 00:01:41.120 align:middle line:84% OK, and I think that worked successfully, 00:01:41.120 --> 00:01:43.490 align:middle line:84% if my share screen is the PowerPoint. 00:01:43.490 --> 00:01:46.400 align:middle line:84% Rua, thumbs up if it's functional. 00:01:46.400 --> 00:01:47.300 align:middle line:90% Awesome. 00:01:47.300 --> 00:01:48.530 align:middle line:90% OK. 00:01:48.530 --> 00:01:50.900 align:middle line:84% So thank you all for being here this afternoon. 00:01:50.900 --> 00:01:53.570 align:middle line:84% As Brianna mentioned, we recently 00:01:53.570 --> 00:01:56.750 align:middle line:84% published a chapter in a book called Crisis Chaos 00:01:56.750 --> 00:01:58.580 align:middle line:84% and Organizations that was specifically 00:01:58.580 --> 00:02:03.920 align:middle line:84% thinking about how organizations have responded to COVID-19. 00:02:03.920 --> 00:02:07.610 align:middle line:84% And our chapter, "From Telecommute to Telecommunity," 00:02:07.610 --> 00:02:11.630 align:middle line:84% is really all about pushing for institutional change as opposed 00:02:11.630 --> 00:02:15.010 align:middle line:90% to individual responses. 00:02:15.010 --> 00:02:16.560 align:middle line:90% So quick background. 00:02:16.560 --> 00:02:19.620 align:middle line:84% Again, I'm at the University of Virginia. 00:02:19.620 --> 00:02:21.570 align:middle line:90% Rua's at Purdue. 00:02:21.570 --> 00:02:23.940 align:middle line:84% And I think both of our universities 00:02:23.940 --> 00:02:26.100 align:middle line:84% have had some different responses 00:02:26.100 --> 00:02:27.975 align:middle line:90% to what's been going on. 00:02:31.060 --> 00:02:32.590 align:middle line:90% So yeah. 00:02:32.590 --> 00:02:34.960 align:middle line:84% And what we're going to discuss is briefly 00:02:34.960 --> 00:02:39.650 align:middle line:84% go over what we covered within our chapter. 00:02:39.650 --> 00:02:43.330 align:middle line:84% What we anticipate doing in the future 00:02:43.330 --> 00:02:46.510 align:middle line:90% with a next chapter, entitled-- 00:02:46.510 --> 00:02:48.010 align:middle line:90% as a working title of-- 00:02:48.010 --> 00:02:49.720 align:middle line:90% "We F'ing Called It." 00:02:49.720 --> 00:02:54.100 align:middle line:84% And then moving into a Q&A, just about the responses 00:02:54.100 --> 00:02:57.400 align:middle line:84% you're sharing in the Google Doc, as well as 00:02:57.400 --> 00:03:01.540 align:middle line:84% some questions we have for you all to generate a discussion. 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:08.120 align:middle line:84% And Rua is going to jump in any time they feel that they really 00:03:08.120 --> 00:03:10.135 align:middle line:84% need to talk over me, which is cool. 00:03:10.135 --> 00:03:11.190 align:middle line:90% RUA MAE WILLIAMS: Oh, OK. 00:03:11.190 --> 00:03:13.148 align:middle line:84% I thought you were telling me to do this slide, 00:03:13.148 --> 00:03:15.130 align:middle line:90% and I was like, oh-- 00:03:15.130 --> 00:03:17.620 align:middle line:84% MARTINA SVYANTEK: No, just any time. 00:03:17.620 --> 00:03:19.540 align:middle line:84% So some context about teleworking 00:03:19.540 --> 00:03:23.620 align:middle line:84% is that while it might have seemed new to all of us 00:03:23.620 --> 00:03:27.940 align:middle line:84% in higher education, or it might have seemed new for the work 00:03:27.940 --> 00:03:31.900 align:middle line:84% that we're doing in higher education, it's nothing new. 00:03:31.900 --> 00:03:34.840 align:middle line:84% One of the immediate responses in Spring 00:03:34.840 --> 00:03:38.140 align:middle line:84% of 2020 from Imani Barbarin is that, "a lot 00:03:38.140 --> 00:03:41.350 align:middle line:84% of the things disabled people have long demanded-- regarding 00:03:41.350 --> 00:03:44.080 align:middle line:84% telework, regarding any sorts of accommodations-- 00:03:44.080 --> 00:03:47.470 align:middle line:84% have instantly manifested, in light of COVID, 00:03:47.470 --> 00:03:50.020 align:middle line:84% now that non-disabled people need them too." 00:03:50.020 --> 00:03:52.990 align:middle line:84% So staying home has had many impacts. 00:03:52.990 --> 00:03:55.900 align:middle line:90% There's environmental impacts. 00:03:55.900 --> 00:03:57.370 align:middle line:90% There's impacts on time. 00:03:57.370 --> 00:04:01.370 align:middle line:84% It removes some barriers, and it highlights or adds on others. 00:04:01.370 --> 00:04:05.470 align:middle line:84% So for my personal example, the commute time 00:04:05.470 --> 00:04:09.310 align:middle line:84% that I don't have to spend means that I get other things done. 00:04:09.310 --> 00:04:12.220 align:middle line:90% Or I can shift work. 00:04:12.220 --> 00:04:15.820 align:middle line:84% I've learned, however, how horrible the internet 00:04:15.820 --> 00:04:19.720 align:middle line:84% connectivity is in my part of the county that 00:04:19.720 --> 00:04:21.250 align:middle line:90% holds Charlottesville. 00:04:21.250 --> 00:04:25.510 align:middle line:84% And it's really mind boggling that we're in this, 00:04:25.510 --> 00:04:27.520 align:middle line:90% our year of pandemic 2022. 00:04:27.520 --> 00:04:31.630 align:middle line:84% And I have to start a lot of meetings, 00:04:31.630 --> 00:04:34.990 align:middle line:84% if I'm doing them at home, saying, 00:04:34.990 --> 00:04:37.810 align:middle line:84% hi, I'm sorry if my internet connection drops, 00:04:37.810 --> 00:04:40.390 align:middle line:90% it looks like rain outside. 00:04:40.390 --> 00:04:45.860 align:middle line:84% And that's something I have to say constantly, 00:04:45.860 --> 00:04:49.430 align:middle line:84% while paying for internet, while living in a place 00:04:49.430 --> 00:04:51.530 align:middle line:84% where there are high property taxes 00:04:51.530 --> 00:04:53.570 align:middle line:90% and there is infrastructure. 00:04:53.570 --> 00:04:56.390 align:middle line:84% And this infrastructural impact of staying at home 00:04:56.390 --> 00:04:57.890 align:middle line:84% is something that's really important 00:04:57.890 --> 00:05:01.130 align:middle line:84% to consider in the larger context of remote work. 00:05:05.790 --> 00:05:09.450 align:middle line:84% Some highlights from our chapter, which you did not 00:05:09.450 --> 00:05:12.750 align:middle line:84% have to read in order to attend this webinar, 00:05:12.750 --> 00:05:16.320 align:middle line:84% was that we might all hate Zoom because the infrastructure 00:05:16.320 --> 00:05:19.950 align:middle line:84% sucks and people are trying to replicate in-person meetings, 00:05:19.950 --> 00:05:22.860 align:middle line:84% in-person lectures, in-person events, as opposed 00:05:22.860 --> 00:05:24.900 align:middle line:84% to re-imagining them for the spaces 00:05:24.900 --> 00:05:26.490 align:middle line:84% that we're now finding ourselves in. 00:05:26.490 --> 00:05:31.020 align:middle line:84% So trying to replicate a roundtable discussion on Zoom, 00:05:31.020 --> 00:05:34.230 align:middle line:84% you have to rethink and readjust how you're 00:05:34.230 --> 00:05:38.050 align:middle line:84% doing things as opposed to just saying, OK, 00:05:38.050 --> 00:05:41.040 align:middle line:84% I'm going to talk at my 300-person lecture for a class, 00:05:41.040 --> 00:05:44.130 align:middle line:84% and it's going to be the same via webcam 00:05:44.130 --> 00:05:45.255 align:middle line:90% as it would be in person. 00:05:47.950 --> 00:05:50.250 align:middle line:84% And another key highlight is that we 00:05:50.250 --> 00:05:52.590 align:middle line:84% need to stop acting as individuals 00:05:52.590 --> 00:05:54.870 align:middle line:90% and start being a community. 00:05:54.870 --> 00:05:57.930 align:middle line:84% And this goes back to a lot of the disability justice 00:05:57.930 --> 00:06:00.330 align:middle line:84% movement, with #AccessIsLove, which is 00:06:00.330 --> 00:06:02.700 align:middle line:90% a hashtag Mia Mingus started. 00:06:02.700 --> 00:06:04.920 align:middle line:90% And the idea-- 00:06:04.920 --> 00:06:08.280 align:middle line:84% Rua, you're going to have to tap in for the pronunciation 00:06:08.280 --> 00:06:09.390 align:middle line:90% of their name-- 00:06:09.390 --> 00:06:11.880 align:middle line:90% of crip-made-- yeah, I think so. 00:06:11.880 --> 00:06:14.940 align:middle line:84% RUA MAE WILLIAMS: So I was going to jump in anyway. 00:06:14.940 --> 00:06:15.510 align:middle line:90% OK. 00:06:15.510 --> 00:06:21.930 align:middle line:84% So I wanted to highlight these ideas 00:06:21.930 --> 00:06:25.060 align:middle line:84% about how we are trying to replicate instead of reimagine. 00:06:25.060 --> 00:06:27.433 align:middle line:84% And it's not actually just that we 00:06:27.433 --> 00:06:29.850 align:middle line:84% have to communicate with each other differently over Zoom. 00:06:29.850 --> 00:06:31.830 align:middle line:84% It's actually that Zoom highlights for us 00:06:31.830 --> 00:06:34.680 align:middle line:84% the ways that our norms of communication exclude people. 00:06:37.660 --> 00:06:40.780 align:middle line:84% And that is why we bring in a disability justice concepts, 00:06:40.780 --> 00:06:44.610 align:middle line:84% like #AccessIsLove and care webs. 00:06:44.610 --> 00:06:47.760 align:middle line:84% And so this is Leah Lakshmi Piepzna-Samarasinha, 00:06:47.760 --> 00:06:51.240 align:middle line:84% who is a disability justice activist and has written a book 00:06:51.240 --> 00:06:55.200 align:middle line:84% called Care Work that archives a lot of the disability 00:06:55.200 --> 00:07:00.390 align:middle line:84% justice writings and movement in the book. 00:07:00.390 --> 00:07:03.618 align:middle line:84% And so these are resources that we point you 00:07:03.618 --> 00:07:05.160 align:middle line:84% to because they present fundamentally 00:07:05.160 --> 00:07:08.340 align:middle line:84% different approaches to relationships 00:07:08.340 --> 00:07:11.100 align:middle line:84% with each other that are informed 00:07:11.100 --> 00:07:17.540 align:middle line:84% by the radical relationships that disabled people have 00:07:17.540 --> 00:07:18.290 align:middle line:90% with each other. 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:26.380 align:middle line:90% And that's all my words. 00:07:29.845 --> 00:07:30.720 align:middle line:90% MARTINA SVYANTEK: OK. 00:07:33.610 --> 00:07:38.500 align:middle line:84% We also ended our book chapter with the idea that remote-- 00:07:38.500 --> 00:07:41.500 align:middle line:84% remote work, remote learning-- can be a best practice 00:07:41.500 --> 00:07:42.730 align:middle line:90% if we make it so. 00:07:42.730 --> 00:07:46.990 align:middle line:84% So prior to the pandemic, I was very aware of the fact 00:07:46.990 --> 00:07:53.230 align:middle line:84% that for online courses, there was an entire certification 00:07:53.230 --> 00:07:56.350 align:middle line:84% and accreditation program, which, granted, 00:07:56.350 --> 00:07:59.500 align:middle line:84% might have its own pluses and minuses. 00:07:59.500 --> 00:08:03.340 align:middle line:84% But there was a very clear path to an instructor 00:08:03.340 --> 00:08:06.940 align:middle line:84% who wanted to take a course that they had been doing in person-- 00:08:06.940 --> 00:08:08.080 align:middle line:90% taking it online. 00:08:08.080 --> 00:08:10.030 align:middle line:90% And there were supports. 00:08:10.030 --> 00:08:11.800 align:middle line:90% There was a system in place. 00:08:11.800 --> 00:08:16.840 align:middle line:84% They had resources, and time, and even grant 00:08:16.840 --> 00:08:19.960 align:middle line:84% funding to go from in-person classes 00:08:19.960 --> 00:08:24.220 align:middle line:84% to an online version of that course. 00:08:24.220 --> 00:08:26.410 align:middle line:84% And there was a system of checks and balances 00:08:26.410 --> 00:08:31.390 align:middle line:84% in place to make sure that people were considering what 00:08:31.390 --> 00:08:34.150 align:middle line:84% that change really meant for that particular course, 00:08:34.150 --> 00:08:38.530 align:middle line:84% as opposed to tossing everybody online and saying, 00:08:38.530 --> 00:08:42.140 align:middle line:90% just deal with it yourself. 00:08:42.140 --> 00:08:45.740 align:middle line:84% Another recommendation was to reduce or eliminate 00:08:45.740 --> 00:08:46.820 align:middle line:90% bureaucracy. 00:08:46.820 --> 00:08:51.360 align:middle line:84% And this could look a lot of different ways, 00:08:51.360 --> 00:08:53.580 align:middle line:90% depending on your context. 00:08:53.580 --> 00:08:58.950 align:middle line:84% Even the need to keep up with your student emails of I 00:08:58.950 --> 00:09:02.250 align:middle line:90% was sick, I had COVID-- 00:09:02.250 --> 00:09:04.440 align:middle line:84% getting all those emails, if you've 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:07.620 align:middle line:84% got classes of hundreds of students, 00:09:07.620 --> 00:09:12.340 align:middle line:84% raised the administrative work on individual faculty members. 00:09:12.340 --> 00:09:16.350 align:middle line:84% So figuring out ways to reduce that administrative load 00:09:16.350 --> 00:09:22.680 align:middle line:84% on individuals versus systemic issues 00:09:22.680 --> 00:09:25.710 align:middle line:90% was one of our recommendations. 00:09:25.710 --> 00:09:29.010 align:middle line:84% Another design-- another practice 00:09:29.010 --> 00:09:31.650 align:middle line:84% we had was universal design for everything. 00:09:31.650 --> 00:09:36.510 align:middle line:84% So build systems, and things, and processes accessibly 00:09:36.510 --> 00:09:40.800 align:middle line:84% from the get go as opposed to having to retrofit everything. 00:09:40.800 --> 00:09:46.090 align:middle line:84% And addressing economic burdens such as paying people 00:09:46.090 --> 00:09:49.330 align:middle line:84% for hazard wages, considering the fact 00:09:49.330 --> 00:09:52.960 align:middle line:84% that the infrastructure that the university has 00:09:52.960 --> 00:09:56.230 align:middle line:84% is not the same as the infrastructure 00:09:56.230 --> 00:09:57.940 align:middle line:90% that employees have. 00:09:57.940 --> 00:10:01.960 align:middle line:84% And figuring out how to address the new economic burdens 00:10:01.960 --> 00:10:06.940 align:middle line:84% of having a home office when you can't take a home office tax 00:10:06.940 --> 00:10:09.820 align:middle line:84% break, for example, and what that looks like. 00:10:13.432 --> 00:10:14.890 align:middle line:84% RUA MAE WILLIAMS: Yeah, I want to-- 00:10:14.890 --> 00:10:17.098 align:middle line:84% I'm going to jump in before we talk about "We Fucking 00:10:17.098 --> 00:10:18.140 align:middle line:90% Called It." 00:10:18.140 --> 00:10:23.560 align:middle line:84% And one of the things that we're trying to broach, or propose, 00:10:23.560 --> 00:10:25.180 align:middle line:84% with this chapter is that actually 00:10:25.180 --> 00:10:30.430 align:middle line:84% to produce more equitable social relations. 00:10:30.430 --> 00:10:33.010 align:middle line:84% And work in education contexts, it 00:10:33.010 --> 00:10:38.830 align:middle line:84% requires you to reconceive what is important. 00:10:38.830 --> 00:10:44.110 align:middle line:84% And so that's why the title is "Telecommute to Telecommunity." 00:10:44.110 --> 00:10:46.480 align:middle line:84% Is that actually, in order to do these things-- 00:10:46.480 --> 00:10:48.910 align:middle line:84% to make these changes and to produce these kinds of just 00:10:48.910 --> 00:10:50.050 align:middle line:90% outcomes-- 00:10:50.050 --> 00:10:55.660 align:middle line:84% you have to stop having capitalist, individualist 00:10:55.660 --> 00:10:57.970 align:middle line:84% notions about what makes a good student 00:10:57.970 --> 00:10:59.410 align:middle line:90% or what makes a good employee. 00:10:59.410 --> 00:11:02.360 align:middle line:84% Which, I know, it sounds absurd to talk about, well, 00:11:02.360 --> 00:11:03.940 align:middle line:84% how can I expect my employees to not 00:11:03.940 --> 00:11:06.640 align:middle line:90% meet the norms of capitalism? 00:11:06.640 --> 00:11:09.810 align:middle line:84% Well, actually, you can because you can do this 00:11:09.810 --> 00:11:12.730 align:middle line:84% at the interpersonal level between you and the people 00:11:12.730 --> 00:11:15.410 align:middle line:90% that you care for. 00:11:15.410 --> 00:11:17.350 align:middle line:84% And so you can all collectively organize 00:11:17.350 --> 00:11:20.960 align:middle line:84% to fight against the norms that actually are hurting everyone. 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:25.100 align:middle line:84% And I'm not necessarily talking about an actual, instant global 00:11:25.100 --> 00:11:26.600 align:middle line:90% revolution against capitalism. 00:11:26.600 --> 00:11:28.190 align:middle line:84% But I am talking about the small steps 00:11:28.190 --> 00:11:30.482 align:middle line:84% that we take to undermine these norms that are actually 00:11:30.482 --> 00:11:32.199 align:middle line:90% causing harm to everyone. 00:11:41.012 --> 00:11:42.470 align:middle line:84% MARTINA SVYANTEK: I'd like everyone 00:11:42.470 --> 00:11:47.610 align:middle line:84% to just sit with the moving GIF on screen, which 00:11:47.610 --> 00:11:55.290 align:middle line:84% is the knockoff Elmo, hands raised, 00:11:55.290 --> 00:11:57.300 align:middle line:84% flickering flames in the background, 00:11:57.300 --> 00:12:04.480 align:middle line:84% just embracing and recognizing the chaos of the world. 00:12:04.480 --> 00:12:08.460 align:middle line:84% So towards the end of our chapter, 00:12:08.460 --> 00:12:10.740 align:middle line:84% we mentioned that, yes, people are 00:12:10.740 --> 00:12:15.550 align:middle line:84% going to say they're experiencing Zoom fatigue. 00:12:15.550 --> 00:12:17.920 align:middle line:84% And they're going to push for a return to normal. 00:12:17.920 --> 00:12:21.970 align:middle line:84% As Rua has previously mentioned, normal 00:12:21.970 --> 00:12:28.420 align:middle line:84% was already an exclusive and bad place that we don't necessarily 00:12:28.420 --> 00:12:30.670 align:middle line:90% have to return to. 00:12:30.670 --> 00:12:36.220 align:middle line:84% We can readjust and reimagine what normal looks 00:12:36.220 --> 00:12:38.870 align:middle line:90% like from here on out. 00:12:38.870 --> 00:12:42.670 align:middle line:84% And we need to have these conversations, so we don't just 00:12:42.670 --> 00:12:45.490 align:middle line:84% flip back to what we're used to and accustomed 00:12:45.490 --> 00:12:51.010 align:middle line:84% to based on our own experiences because students now 00:12:51.010 --> 00:12:53.890 align:middle line:84% have a dramatically different experience of what it means 00:12:53.890 --> 00:12:57.520 align:middle line:84% to graduate high school, to start university, 00:12:57.520 --> 00:13:02.440 align:middle line:84% to start new jobs, in a pandemic, in a remote working 00:13:02.440 --> 00:13:03.460 align:middle line:90% environment. 00:13:03.460 --> 00:13:09.010 align:middle line:84% So the fact that we're functioning on managerial norms 00:13:09.010 --> 00:13:13.840 align:middle line:84% from a while ago doesn't mean we need to continue those. 00:13:13.840 --> 00:13:16.690 align:middle line:84% It means we need to assess what those are 00:13:16.690 --> 00:13:19.380 align:middle line:90% and see how they can change. 00:13:19.380 --> 00:13:24.050 align:middle line:84% However, the reason that our working title 00:13:24.050 --> 00:13:29.130 align:middle line:84% is "We F'ing Called It" is because throughout our chapter, 00:13:29.130 --> 00:13:31.700 align:middle line:84% we recognize the fact that people just 00:13:31.700 --> 00:13:36.590 align:middle line:84% want to pretend that the pandemic didn't happen. 00:13:36.590 --> 00:13:44.030 align:middle line:84% And saying that it's a return to normal ignores two-plus years 00:13:44.030 --> 00:13:51.850 align:middle line:84% of global response to a pandemic-- 00:13:51.850 --> 00:13:53.660 align:middle line:90% or non-response. 00:13:53.660 --> 00:13:58.825 align:middle line:84% It ignores our collective grief and trauma around this topic. 00:14:01.760 --> 00:14:04.670 align:middle line:84% Rua, anything to add about flaming Elmo? 00:14:09.790 --> 00:14:14.800 align:middle line:84% RUA MAE WILLIAMS: It's just people 00:14:14.800 --> 00:14:17.740 align:middle line:84% that are in charge of making decisions are often 00:14:17.740 --> 00:14:21.410 align:middle line:84% the ones that benefited from the system as it was before. 00:14:21.410 --> 00:14:24.490 align:middle line:84% And so what they tended to recognize 00:14:24.490 --> 00:14:28.780 align:middle line:84% were the stresses that the pandemic response introduced 00:14:28.780 --> 00:14:32.600 align:middle line:84% into their lives, and not the liberatory potentials 00:14:32.600 --> 00:14:38.310 align:middle line:84% of a different way of working and collaborating together. 00:14:38.310 --> 00:14:43.950 align:middle line:84% And so what we were worried about when 00:14:43.950 --> 00:14:47.040 align:middle line:84% we wrote the chapter, and what we have seen now come to pass, 00:14:47.040 --> 00:14:55.090 align:middle line:84% is that we were able to make concessions to each other 00:14:55.090 --> 00:14:56.170 align:middle line:90% and to extend grace. 00:14:56.170 --> 00:15:01.030 align:middle line:84% And then as soon as the initial shock of this global event 00:15:01.030 --> 00:15:04.970 align:middle line:84% subsided, people stopped extending grace to each other. 00:15:04.970 --> 00:15:07.360 align:middle line:84% And so I have found many people discussing 00:15:07.360 --> 00:15:09.850 align:middle line:84% that this semester, in the academic context, 00:15:09.850 --> 00:15:13.290 align:middle line:84% has been the worst for caregivers. 00:15:13.290 --> 00:15:17.820 align:middle line:84% It's much worse than the initial semester when we shut down. 00:15:17.820 --> 00:15:20.480 align:middle line:84% I personally did not have a consistent week of child care 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:25.220 align:middle line:90% for over half of the semester. 00:15:25.220 --> 00:15:28.340 align:middle line:84% And there was no longer that same kind of recognition 00:15:28.340 --> 00:15:31.550 align:middle line:84% for how much caregivers were struggling. 00:15:31.550 --> 00:15:36.560 align:middle line:84% And there was this obsession with returning to normal 00:15:36.560 --> 00:15:40.220 align:middle line:90% and eliminating remote access. 00:15:40.220 --> 00:15:45.180 align:middle line:84% And it's just not actually accurately in line 00:15:45.180 --> 00:15:48.643 align:middle line:90% with people's experiences. 00:15:48.643 --> 00:15:51.060 align:middle line:84% And the people that are most impacted by those experiences 00:15:51.060 --> 00:15:55.050 align:middle line:84% are the most quickly silenced and the most quickly ignored. 00:15:55.050 --> 00:15:59.830 align:middle line:84% And it's really important to note-- 00:15:59.830 --> 00:16:02.170 align:middle line:84% I'm sorry, I'm getting a lot of click noises from my-- 00:16:02.170 --> 00:16:05.150 align:middle line:90% I'm closing this, OK. 00:16:05.150 --> 00:16:11.480 align:middle line:84% When you look at the death toll, that's disabled people. 00:16:11.480 --> 00:16:13.560 align:middle line:90% That's disabled people of color. 00:16:13.560 --> 00:16:16.710 align:middle line:84% That's disabled, working class people, 00:16:16.710 --> 00:16:19.290 align:middle line:84% the people that we did not make room 00:16:19.290 --> 00:16:23.670 align:middle line:90% for in our pandemic response. 00:16:23.670 --> 00:16:27.285 align:middle line:84% And so when you talk about returning to normal-- 00:16:29.820 --> 00:16:33.330 align:middle line:90% it has to end eventually. 00:16:33.330 --> 00:16:35.970 align:middle line:84% Ending the pandemic, which is not going to happen, 00:16:35.970 --> 00:16:39.700 align:middle line:84% does not actually mean returning to the way that it was. 00:16:39.700 --> 00:16:41.460 align:middle line:84% And we can actually build different kinds 00:16:41.460 --> 00:16:45.320 align:middle line:90% of societal arrangements. 00:16:45.320 --> 00:16:49.910 align:middle line:90% And so-- fire and rage. 00:16:49.910 --> 00:16:52.690 align:middle line:84% You know that other meme of the thing from Clue? 00:16:52.690 --> 00:16:54.910 align:middle line:84% "Flames, flames on the side of my face?" 00:16:54.910 --> 00:17:01.090 align:middle line:90% Anyway, next slide. 00:17:01.090 --> 00:17:03.210 align:middle line:84% MARTINA SVYANTEK: I do want to touch again 00:17:03.210 --> 00:17:13.589 align:middle line:84% on the rage and the impact on the disability community. 00:17:13.589 --> 00:17:15.569 align:middle line:84% Even just this week, with this idea 00:17:15.569 --> 00:17:19.200 align:middle line:84% that we've returned to normal mid-flight. 00:17:19.200 --> 00:17:21.930 align:middle line:84% And flights announcing, take off your masks. 00:17:21.930 --> 00:17:26.910 align:middle line:84% And people on the planes going, this 00:17:26.910 --> 00:17:28.260 align:middle line:90% isn't what I signed up for. 00:17:28.260 --> 00:17:33.690 align:middle line:84% This isn't what I agreed to in terms 00:17:33.690 --> 00:17:36.500 align:middle line:84% of the terms of my transportation. 00:17:36.500 --> 00:17:39.620 align:middle line:84% I'm going to keep my mask on because I've 00:17:39.620 --> 00:17:43.640 align:middle line:84% got immunocompromised friends and family that I haven't 00:17:43.640 --> 00:17:45.530 align:middle line:90% seen for a couple of years. 00:17:45.530 --> 00:17:47.720 align:middle line:84% And we're all vaccinated, so I thought 00:17:47.720 --> 00:17:49.130 align:middle line:90% it was safe to travel now. 00:17:49.130 --> 00:17:53.630 align:middle line:84% And you're changing the rules of the game literally mid-flight. 00:17:57.070 --> 00:18:02.740 align:middle line:84% So the frustration and the fact that the rejoinder of, well, 00:18:02.740 --> 00:18:05.290 align:middle line:90% you can just stay home-- 00:18:05.290 --> 00:18:09.100 align:middle line:84% again, siloing and silencing the experiences 00:18:09.100 --> 00:18:13.120 align:middle line:84% of the people who have been most impacted-- 00:18:13.120 --> 00:18:16.750 align:middle line:84% is telling in terms of how we as society take 00:18:16.750 --> 00:18:18.310 align:middle line:84% these considerations into account. 00:18:22.670 --> 00:18:26.080 align:middle line:84% So our questions for the audience 00:18:26.080 --> 00:18:35.380 align:middle line:84% would be related to the changes in terms of the grace, 00:18:35.380 --> 00:18:38.530 align:middle line:84% and understanding, and the collective response 00:18:38.530 --> 00:18:41.860 align:middle line:84% in terms of, how have you handled accommodations requests 00:18:41.860 --> 00:18:44.200 align:middle line:84% from your students during the pandemic? 00:18:44.200 --> 00:18:46.030 align:middle line:90% How have the requests changed? 00:18:46.030 --> 00:18:49.960 align:middle line:84% Because, as we know, there are different 00:18:49.960 --> 00:18:53.770 align:middle line:84% affordances to having a digital meeting as opposed 00:18:53.770 --> 00:18:55.840 align:middle line:90% to an in-person meeting. 00:18:55.840 --> 00:18:58.510 align:middle line:84% And the requests change over time 00:18:58.510 --> 00:19:01.490 align:middle line:84% because some students might have realized, hey, 00:19:01.490 --> 00:19:03.400 align:middle line:84% if class is being recorded, then I 00:19:03.400 --> 00:19:05.740 align:middle line:84% don't need to worry about getting accommodations 00:19:05.740 --> 00:19:08.810 align:middle line:84% for note takers because if I'm missing something, 00:19:08.810 --> 00:19:11.170 align:middle line:84% I can go back and review that on my own 00:19:11.170 --> 00:19:14.500 align:middle line:84% without having to go through a process 00:19:14.500 --> 00:19:17.770 align:middle line:84% in order to access class recordings because everyone 00:19:17.770 --> 00:19:20.650 align:middle line:90% has access now. 00:19:20.650 --> 00:19:24.190 align:middle line:84% Similarly, faculty, staff, people working 00:19:24.190 --> 00:19:26.410 align:middle line:90% within a university context-- 00:19:26.410 --> 00:19:31.240 align:middle line:84% requesting accommodations has changed within the university 00:19:31.240 --> 00:19:32.125 align:middle line:90% context as well. 00:19:44.285 --> 00:19:45.660 align:middle line:84% RUA MAE WILLIAMS: And we do we do 00:19:45.660 --> 00:19:47.577 align:middle line:84% have some questions that have already been put 00:19:47.577 --> 00:19:50.070 align:middle line:90% in the little response sheet. 00:19:50.070 --> 00:19:53.182 align:middle line:84% So you can ask these things here now. 00:19:53.182 --> 00:19:54.390 align:middle line:90% You can ask them in the chat. 00:19:54.390 --> 00:19:56.850 align:middle line:84% Or if you have something that you really don't necessarily 00:19:56.850 --> 00:19:58.350 align:middle line:84% want to be tied to your name, that's 00:19:58.350 --> 00:20:01.560 align:middle line:90% what the Google form is for. 00:20:01.560 --> 00:20:05.620 align:middle line:84% And so while we wait for some questions to come in, 00:20:05.620 --> 00:20:10.960 align:middle line:84% I think we can maybe handle some that are already in the form. 00:20:17.400 --> 00:20:21.060 align:middle line:84% MARTINA SVYANTEK: Would you like me to read from top to bottom? 00:20:21.060 --> 00:20:24.480 align:middle line:84% RUA MAE WILLIAMS: No, I was just going to pick one. 00:20:24.480 --> 00:20:28.107 align:middle line:90% I was trying to skim them. 00:20:28.107 --> 00:20:29.940 align:middle line:84% I want to kind of address multiples of these 00:20:29.940 --> 00:20:31.690 align:middle line:84% because some of them are really important. 00:20:38.900 --> 00:20:40.850 align:middle line:84% This one about the form is really getting me, 00:20:40.850 --> 00:20:42.410 align:middle line:90% and I want to talk about it. 00:20:42.410 --> 00:20:42.770 align:middle line:90% MARTINA SVYANTEK: OK. 00:20:42.770 --> 00:20:44.340 align:middle line:84% I'll copy and paste it to the chat. 00:20:44.340 --> 00:20:45.800 align:middle line:90% You can address it later. 00:20:45.800 --> 00:20:47.510 align:middle line:84% RUA MAE WILLIAMS: So the question 00:20:47.510 --> 00:20:50.240 align:middle line:84% is, "I'm a faculty member who requested accommodations 00:20:50.240 --> 00:20:52.730 align:middle line:84% from my university to teach remotely. 00:20:52.730 --> 00:20:55.610 align:middle line:84% They sent me a form to fill out that asked, among other things, 00:20:55.610 --> 00:20:57.530 align:middle line:84% about my abilities related to toileting 00:20:57.530 --> 00:20:59.570 align:middle line:90% and my intellectual abilities. 00:20:59.570 --> 00:21:02.540 align:middle line:84% I felt obligated to respond to these questions, 00:21:02.540 --> 00:21:04.725 align:middle line:84% but it was unrelated to the request. 00:21:04.725 --> 00:21:06.350 align:middle line:84% And what advice do you have for dealing 00:21:06.350 --> 00:21:08.930 align:middle line:84% with these sorts of questions and how do we get institutions 00:21:08.930 --> 00:21:11.390 align:middle line:90% to stop asking them?" 00:21:11.390 --> 00:21:14.960 align:middle line:84% This question stood out to me because it harkens back 00:21:14.960 --> 00:21:18.560 align:middle line:84% to one of our recommendations about eliminating bureaucracy. 00:21:18.560 --> 00:21:21.260 align:middle line:84% And I obviously don't know the particulars 00:21:21.260 --> 00:21:25.190 align:middle line:84% of which institution, or what kind of institution, 00:21:25.190 --> 00:21:26.720 align:middle line:90% or what the form was. 00:21:26.720 --> 00:21:31.780 align:middle line:84% But a form asking a faculty member these kinds of questions 00:21:31.780 --> 00:21:33.730 align:middle line:84% immediately strikes me as probably something 00:21:33.730 --> 00:21:37.900 align:middle line:84% that the HR office found in a database of forms 00:21:37.900 --> 00:21:40.550 align:middle line:90% for, like, unrelated shit. 00:21:40.550 --> 00:21:46.630 align:middle line:84% And many of the universities, public universities 00:21:46.630 --> 00:21:52.550 align:middle line:84% in particular, were publicly invested in the public optics 00:21:52.550 --> 00:21:53.600 align:middle line:90% of returning to normal. 00:21:53.600 --> 00:21:56.330 align:middle line:84% And therefore, there was enormous pressure on faculty, 00:21:56.330 --> 00:21:58.550 align:middle line:84% no matter how vulnerable they may have personally 00:21:58.550 --> 00:22:01.250 align:middle line:84% been, to return to in-class instruction 00:22:01.250 --> 00:22:05.000 align:middle line:84% because there was this mythology that administration built up 00:22:05.000 --> 00:22:06.620 align:middle line:84% that students wanted to come back 00:22:06.620 --> 00:22:08.750 align:middle line:90% and students are our customers. 00:22:08.750 --> 00:22:11.150 align:middle line:84% And it is true that students have been greatly 00:22:11.150 --> 00:22:14.540 align:middle line:84% impacted by the way that their high school was 00:22:14.540 --> 00:22:17.150 align:middle line:90% upended by this pandemic. 00:22:17.150 --> 00:22:18.260 align:middle line:90% And it's absolutely true. 00:22:18.260 --> 00:22:21.350 align:middle line:84% But it's actually not true that most students 00:22:21.350 --> 00:22:24.200 align:middle line:84% wanted to come back in person in the middle of a raging pandemic 00:22:24.200 --> 00:22:27.240 align:middle line:84% that was killing their family members. 00:22:27.240 --> 00:22:33.613 align:middle line:84% What students wanted was a college experience. 00:22:33.613 --> 00:22:35.780 align:middle line:84% So when you ask them, do you want to come to campus? 00:22:35.780 --> 00:22:36.400 align:middle line:90% They say yes. 00:22:36.400 --> 00:22:39.310 align:middle line:84% But they didn't want to come to campus 00:22:39.310 --> 00:22:40.960 align:middle line:84% to sit six feet apart from everybody 00:22:40.960 --> 00:22:43.600 align:middle line:84% with a mask over your face in a room with bad acoustics 00:22:43.600 --> 00:22:45.430 align:middle line:84% and listen to a lecture presented 00:22:45.430 --> 00:22:46.720 align:middle line:90% over poor audio quality. 00:22:46.720 --> 00:22:49.550 align:middle line:90% That's not what they wanted. 00:22:49.550 --> 00:22:53.510 align:middle line:84% And no child actually wanted to put their faculty member 00:22:53.510 --> 00:22:56.970 align:middle line:84% in a position where they could die. 00:22:56.970 --> 00:23:00.700 align:middle line:84% But that's not how the surveys were conducted. 00:23:00.700 --> 00:23:03.970 align:middle line:84% And so these kinds of questions that were being sent out 00:23:03.970 --> 00:23:06.100 align:middle line:84% for faculty to legitimize why they needed 00:23:06.100 --> 00:23:08.800 align:middle line:84% to continue being remote, they're 00:23:08.800 --> 00:23:11.170 align:middle line:84% meant to be dehumanizing and devaluing. 00:23:11.170 --> 00:23:15.120 align:middle line:84% And they're meant to be very discouraging. 00:23:15.120 --> 00:23:19.910 align:middle line:84% And so, how to deal with these sorts of questions. 00:23:19.910 --> 00:23:24.128 align:middle line:84% It depends on who you are and how contingent you are, right? 00:23:24.128 --> 00:23:26.420 align:middle line:84% And how contingent you are, depending on whether or not 00:23:26.420 --> 00:23:28.190 align:middle line:84% you even had the capacity and bravery 00:23:28.190 --> 00:23:30.290 align:middle line:84% to ask for the accommodation in the first place. 00:23:33.520 --> 00:23:39.850 align:middle line:90% And so the advice that I have. 00:23:39.850 --> 00:23:42.460 align:middle line:84% I'm really tired of me being in a position of giving advice 00:23:42.460 --> 00:23:45.440 align:middle line:84% to the people who are being harmed. 00:23:45.440 --> 00:23:48.320 align:middle line:84% And I'm really starting to get frustrated 00:23:48.320 --> 00:23:50.698 align:middle line:84% with the lack of participation and interest 00:23:50.698 --> 00:23:52.490 align:middle line:84% from people who are making the choices that 00:23:52.490 --> 00:23:55.940 align:middle line:84% harm because the only advice I have is not for you. 00:23:55.940 --> 00:23:57.680 align:middle line:90% You do you, and you survive. 00:23:57.680 --> 00:24:02.930 align:middle line:84% My advice for the administrators is to stop being a dick. 00:24:02.930 --> 00:24:08.330 align:middle line:84% You're killing people for arbitrary, outdated senses 00:24:08.330 --> 00:24:12.260 align:middle line:84% of what is professional and proprietary. 00:24:12.260 --> 00:24:12.770 align:middle line:90% Stop it. 00:24:17.322 --> 00:24:18.280 align:middle line:90% MARTINA SVYANTEK: Yeah. 00:24:18.280 --> 00:24:20.817 align:middle line:84% I think we have a follow up in the chat, 00:24:20.817 --> 00:24:22.900 align:middle line:84% saying, "I wonder if the institution was following 00:24:22.900 --> 00:24:25.720 align:middle line:84% the process already used for ADA accommodations 00:24:25.720 --> 00:24:28.900 align:middle line:84% and did not have a process for any type of accommodation." 00:24:28.900 --> 00:24:36.460 align:middle line:84% And that, frankly, is the institution's issue. 00:24:36.460 --> 00:24:40.210 align:middle line:84% The need to have remote accommodations 00:24:40.210 --> 00:24:45.760 align:middle line:84% should not be predicated on if you fill out the form 00:24:45.760 --> 00:24:47.140 align:middle line:90% completely. 00:24:47.140 --> 00:24:53.860 align:middle line:84% Leaving a form question blank is always a possibility. 00:24:53.860 --> 00:24:57.070 align:middle line:84% Even if the Google form requires a response, 00:24:57.070 --> 00:25:01.640 align:middle line:84% you can just put a bunch of nonsense in there. 00:25:01.640 --> 00:25:03.640 align:middle line:84% RUA MAE WILLIAMS: So this question about the ADA 00:25:03.640 --> 00:25:08.200 align:middle line:84% actually brings up another key issue, which is actually 00:25:08.200 --> 00:25:13.960 align:middle line:84% how little disability accommodations exist 00:25:13.960 --> 00:25:18.000 align:middle line:84% for faculty and staff in the higher education context. 00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:23.680 align:middle line:84% The ADA is there, but only certain kinds of requests 00:25:23.680 --> 00:25:27.190 align:middle line:84% are seen as respectable and justifiable. 00:25:27.190 --> 00:25:30.130 align:middle line:84% And also, the ADA is legislation, 00:25:30.130 --> 00:25:32.740 align:middle line:84% and rights-based frameworks don't equally 00:25:32.740 --> 00:25:35.410 align:middle line:90% work for all people. 00:25:35.410 --> 00:25:38.478 align:middle line:84% And it was very clear in the pandemic 00:25:38.478 --> 00:25:41.020 align:middle line:84% how this was coming into play because the ADA is actually not 00:25:41.020 --> 00:25:43.420 align:middle line:84% very good at extending disability 00:25:43.420 --> 00:25:47.000 align:middle line:84% accommodations to people who are in parasocial relationships. 00:25:47.000 --> 00:25:51.010 align:middle line:84% So parents of immunocompromised children 00:25:51.010 --> 00:25:54.520 align:middle line:84% are not technically protected under the ADA 00:25:54.520 --> 00:25:57.100 align:middle line:84% to have remote access to work for the benefit of keeping 00:25:57.100 --> 00:25:59.470 align:middle line:84% their children alive because the ADA works 00:25:59.470 --> 00:26:01.150 align:middle line:90% on an individual-specific basis. 00:26:01.150 --> 00:26:03.970 align:middle line:84% And that's actually not how humans live their lives. 00:26:06.560 --> 00:26:14.910 align:middle line:84% And so it can be effective in certain strategies 00:26:14.910 --> 00:26:19.680 align:middle line:84% to remind administration that we have laws like the ADA. 00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:22.940 align:middle line:84% But for the most part, they don't actually work. 00:26:22.940 --> 00:26:28.740 align:middle line:84% And so there needs to be more strategic, 00:26:28.740 --> 00:26:31.650 align:middle line:84% interpersonal contesting of the system. 00:26:37.740 --> 00:26:41.370 align:middle line:84% And I do want to say we're also not just speaking 00:26:41.370 --> 00:26:42.930 align:middle line:90% about Purdue and Virginia. 00:26:42.930 --> 00:26:44.040 align:middle line:90% MARTINA SVYANTEK: Oh, no. 00:26:44.040 --> 00:26:45.870 align:middle line:84% RUA MAE WILLIAMS: Here, we are speaking 00:26:45.870 --> 00:26:48.540 align:middle line:84% on behalf of many colleagues, and peers, and friends, 00:26:48.540 --> 00:26:51.840 align:middle line:84% and loved ones from many different institutions 00:26:51.840 --> 00:26:54.630 align:middle line:84% across the globe, but in particular in the United 00:26:54.630 --> 00:26:57.810 align:middle line:90% States, and Canada, and the UK. 00:26:57.810 --> 00:27:04.980 align:middle line:84% And so it's definitely been a harrowing experience, 00:27:04.980 --> 00:27:10.280 align:middle line:84% I think, predominantly among people at R1 institutions, 00:27:10.280 --> 00:27:15.980 align:middle line:84% just because of the political entanglements of their higher 00:27:15.980 --> 00:27:21.450 align:middle line:84% administration and the way that the pandemic was politicized. 00:27:21.450 --> 00:27:22.560 align:middle line:90% MARTINA SVYANTEK: Yeah. 00:27:22.560 --> 00:27:26.760 align:middle line:84% And to the comment about institutions 00:27:26.760 --> 00:27:28.770 align:middle line:90% not being as flexible as others. 00:27:28.770 --> 00:27:34.980 align:middle line:84% Again, it's not just about where we're currently working. 00:27:34.980 --> 00:27:38.740 align:middle line:84% It is about a collective response. 00:27:38.740 --> 00:27:42.420 align:middle line:84% So if we address this at our individual institutions, 00:27:42.420 --> 00:27:48.150 align:middle line:84% there are still others that have the same sorts of policies-- 00:27:48.150 --> 00:27:49.960 align:middle line:90% have the same sorts of forms. 00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:56.400 align:middle line:84% So it's reinventing this access wheel over and over again, 00:27:56.400 --> 00:27:59.055 align:middle line:90% about all over the place. 00:28:02.440 --> 00:28:03.850 align:middle line:90% RUA MAE WILLIAMS: Yeah. 00:28:03.850 --> 00:28:05.410 align:middle line:84% I related to this comment in the chat 00:28:05.410 --> 00:28:11.380 align:middle line:84% from Emily Ackerland talking about getting 00:28:11.380 --> 00:28:13.740 align:middle line:84% a foothold on remote accommodations and resistance 00:28:13.740 --> 00:28:15.490 align:middle line:84% from administration and the faculty union. 00:28:15.490 --> 00:28:16.540 align:middle line:90% This is really big. 00:28:16.540 --> 00:28:21.040 align:middle line:84% So I'm faculty, and I teach a large number of students 00:28:21.040 --> 00:28:22.330 align:middle line:90% every semester. 00:28:22.330 --> 00:28:25.000 align:middle line:84% But I do see, obviously, my peers making 00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:28.420 align:middle line:84% claims that these accommodations are beyond reasonable. 00:28:28.420 --> 00:28:32.620 align:middle line:84% But the thing is, it's not actually 00:28:32.620 --> 00:28:34.570 align:middle line:84% within your academic freedom to discriminate 00:28:34.570 --> 00:28:36.170 align:middle line:90% against disabled students. 00:28:36.170 --> 00:28:39.310 align:middle line:84% And so one of the problems is that faculty 00:28:39.310 --> 00:28:42.880 align:middle line:84% don't have infrastructural support for providing 00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:45.100 align:middle line:90% accommodations like this. 00:28:45.100 --> 00:28:47.660 align:middle line:84% And then that comes back to the DRC-- 00:28:47.660 --> 00:28:50.290 align:middle line:84% the disability resource center, or disabled student services, 00:28:50.290 --> 00:28:53.230 align:middle line:84% or whatever your institution calls it. 00:28:53.230 --> 00:28:55.870 align:middle line:84% But they also don't have the power and the resources, 00:28:55.870 --> 00:28:58.960 align:middle line:84% often, granted to them in order to extend 00:28:58.960 --> 00:29:00.670 align:middle line:84% infrastructural support to faculty 00:29:00.670 --> 00:29:04.840 align:middle line:84% for providing remote access in a way that doesn't inflate 00:29:04.840 --> 00:29:08.170 align:middle line:84% the burden on faculty who are already teaching 00:29:08.170 --> 00:29:11.710 align:middle line:90% under sort of difficult loads. 00:29:11.710 --> 00:29:15.970 align:middle line:84% So one of the things that happens 00:29:15.970 --> 00:29:18.020 align:middle line:84% is that we get split against each other. 00:29:18.020 --> 00:29:20.950 align:middle line:84% And it's, like, faculty versus students. 00:29:20.950 --> 00:29:25.060 align:middle line:84% And that's actually not the argument, and it doesn't help. 00:29:25.060 --> 00:29:26.770 align:middle line:84% And that's actually what people in power 00:29:26.770 --> 00:29:28.810 align:middle line:84% want because that means nothing gets done. 00:29:31.890 --> 00:29:36.140 align:middle line:84% And so faculty unions might be concerned 00:29:36.140 --> 00:29:40.700 align:middle line:84% about increasing administrative load on their teaching 00:29:40.700 --> 00:29:43.190 align:middle line:84% assignments, but that doesn't mean 00:29:43.190 --> 00:29:44.720 align:middle line:84% that the response is to not grant 00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:46.130 align:middle line:90% these kinds of accommodations. 00:29:46.130 --> 00:29:49.370 align:middle line:84% We need to build the infrastructure that's missing. 00:29:49.370 --> 00:29:52.940 align:middle line:84% And there's obviously still, despite our quick shift 00:29:52.940 --> 00:29:57.350 align:middle line:84% to remote versions of education, there 00:29:57.350 --> 00:30:02.750 align:middle line:84% is still a distinct lack of effective information 00:30:02.750 --> 00:30:05.210 align:middle line:84% technology infrastructure in higher education. 00:30:16.560 --> 00:30:18.750 align:middle line:90% MARTINA SVYANTEK: Agreed. 00:30:18.750 --> 00:30:27.340 align:middle line:84% The infrastructure to teach remotely needs to be addressed. 00:30:27.340 --> 00:30:29.980 align:middle line:84% And to Emily's latest point in the chat, 00:30:29.980 --> 00:30:32.320 align:middle line:84% that faculty need assistance in the classroom 00:30:32.320 --> 00:30:34.720 align:middle line:84% to make remote participation work. 00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:37.210 align:middle line:84% I would say a lot of times faculty, 00:30:37.210 --> 00:30:40.120 align:middle line:84% especially in large classes, need assistance just 00:30:40.120 --> 00:30:42.380 align:middle line:90% to make the class function. 00:30:42.380 --> 00:30:46.720 align:middle line:84% So rethinking how we frame how we're setting 00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:51.910 align:middle line:84% faculty up to fail in a wide variety of formats. 00:30:51.910 --> 00:30:57.310 align:middle line:84% And considering how maybe one person, nominally teaching 00:30:57.310 --> 00:31:03.520 align:middle line:84% an 800-person lecture, has some drawbacks in terms 00:31:03.520 --> 00:31:07.390 align:middle line:84% of how that course is run just from the get go. 00:31:07.390 --> 00:31:11.680 align:middle line:84% So figuring out and looking at course structures, 00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:17.620 align:middle line:84% looking at how TAs are assigned, if undergraduate TAs 00:31:17.620 --> 00:31:20.090 align:middle line:84% or teaching peers are being used, 00:31:20.090 --> 00:31:24.970 align:middle line:84% if graduate teaching assistants are available. 00:31:24.970 --> 00:31:30.040 align:middle line:84% Universities already have ways that faculty support 00:31:30.040 --> 00:31:34.780 align:middle line:84% and assistance can be garnered, but it 00:31:34.780 --> 00:31:38.440 align:middle line:84% doesn't seem like they're making the connection with using that 00:31:38.440 --> 00:31:40.240 align:middle line:90% for remote participation work. 00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:45.580 align:middle line:84% So yes, of course, faculty might need some tech assistance. 00:31:45.580 --> 00:31:49.900 align:middle line:84% Faculty might need a dedicated chat 00:31:49.900 --> 00:31:55.630 align:middle line:84% monitor, if they have a hybrid class or a Zoom class, to say, 00:31:55.630 --> 00:31:58.240 align:middle line:84% OK, we have a couple of questions in the chat, 00:31:58.240 --> 00:31:59.600 align:middle line:90% let's address those. 00:31:59.600 --> 00:32:01.720 align:middle line:84% And then we'll switch back to classroom-- 00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:03.250 align:middle line:90% in-the-class questions. 00:32:03.250 --> 00:32:08.920 align:middle line:84% So again, it's rethinking where are we putting our time, 00:32:08.920 --> 00:32:09.970 align:middle line:90% and energy, and effort. 00:32:13.230 --> 00:32:14.730 align:middle line:84% RUA MAE WILLIAMS: I would like to-- 00:32:14.730 --> 00:32:16.230 align:middle line:84% there are some more questions coming 00:32:16.230 --> 00:32:18.810 align:middle line:84% into the form that are sort of congregating 00:32:18.810 --> 00:32:22.655 align:middle line:84% on actual practical advice on remote accommodations to class. 00:32:22.655 --> 00:32:24.030 align:middle line:84% And I would like to speak to this 00:32:24.030 --> 00:32:29.340 align:middle line:84% because I think I'm doing OK with implementing it 00:32:29.340 --> 00:32:31.770 align:middle line:90% in my own classes. 00:32:31.770 --> 00:32:35.460 align:middle line:84% There are a number of things that I personally do and will 00:32:35.460 --> 00:32:36.300 align:middle line:90% continue to do. 00:32:39.220 --> 00:32:41.880 align:middle line:84% But many of them, often, people resist 00:32:41.880 --> 00:32:45.240 align:middle line:84% because they require a reframing of what makes good education, 00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:47.200 align:middle line:90% and what makes rigor. 00:32:47.200 --> 00:32:53.240 align:middle line:84% And so firstly, do not take attendance. 00:32:53.240 --> 00:32:56.180 align:middle line:84% It's trash, and it's administrative labor. 00:32:56.180 --> 00:32:58.130 align:middle line:84% If the student doesn't show up and doesn't 00:32:58.130 --> 00:33:01.250 align:middle line:84% find a way to engage with the material, it shows up. 00:33:01.250 --> 00:33:05.450 align:middle line:90% So don't grade it twice, right? 00:33:05.450 --> 00:33:12.790 align:middle line:84% And so I grant remote access to all of my courses without any-- 00:33:12.790 --> 00:33:14.040 align:middle line:90% you don't have to tell me why. 00:33:14.040 --> 00:33:15.250 align:middle line:90% You don't have to tell me. 00:33:15.250 --> 00:33:16.920 align:middle line:84% You don't have to get a doctor's note. 00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:19.150 align:middle line:84% You don't have to have a positive test. 00:33:19.150 --> 00:33:20.830 align:middle line:90% I don't care. 00:33:20.830 --> 00:33:24.810 align:middle line:84% I care-- like, I'd like for you to not be sick. 00:33:24.810 --> 00:33:27.900 align:middle line:84% But I don't need you to tell me the reason. 00:33:27.900 --> 00:33:32.610 align:middle line:84% And you can if you want, but you don't have to prove it. 00:33:32.610 --> 00:33:33.420 align:middle line:90% OK. 00:33:33.420 --> 00:33:36.900 align:middle line:84% And so I provide remote access unconditionally, 00:33:36.900 --> 00:33:41.250 align:middle line:84% and it did not result in majority of the class 00:33:41.250 --> 00:33:43.508 align:middle line:90% not being present in the room. 00:33:43.508 --> 00:33:45.300 align:middle line:84% And some of that is, by nature, of the kind 00:33:45.300 --> 00:33:47.175 align:middle line:84% of class that I teach, which is very hands on 00:33:47.175 --> 00:33:49.480 align:middle line:84% and interactive in a studio environment. 00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:52.030 align:middle line:84% And so it's kind of like online access 00:33:52.030 --> 00:33:54.823 align:middle line:84% is very difficult to maintain the same amount of engagement. 00:33:54.823 --> 00:33:56.490 align:middle line:84% So the students wanted to come in person 00:33:56.490 --> 00:33:57.780 align:middle line:90% when they were feeling well. 00:33:57.780 --> 00:34:00.330 align:middle line:84% But they did also stay away when they weren't feeling well, 00:34:00.330 --> 00:34:02.580 align:middle line:84% which was fantastic because I didn't want to get sick. 00:34:08.850 --> 00:34:12.389 align:middle line:84% Now, I am able to provide that remote access because we 00:34:12.389 --> 00:34:16.797 align:middle line:84% have two cameras in the room, one on the lectern and one 00:34:16.797 --> 00:34:18.130 align:middle line:90% that I can move around the room. 00:34:18.130 --> 00:34:20.580 align:middle line:84% And also, we have a good microphone. 00:34:20.580 --> 00:34:25.980 align:middle line:84% But I also bring my own microphone speaker thing. 00:34:25.980 --> 00:34:29.010 align:middle line:84% This one in particular is made by Anker. 00:34:29.010 --> 00:34:31.050 align:middle line:84% And I was calling it the beignet because it 00:34:31.050 --> 00:34:34.050 align:middle line:84% looks like a little doughnut from New Orleans. 00:34:34.050 --> 00:34:36.210 align:middle line:84% And I would pass it around the room 00:34:36.210 --> 00:34:39.810 align:middle line:84% when we were discussing things so that everybody 00:34:39.810 --> 00:34:42.659 align:middle line:84% have equal auditory access and that the captions would 00:34:42.659 --> 00:34:44.280 align:middle line:90% work better. 00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:47.340 align:middle line:84% Obviously, I used auto captions in my classes. 00:34:47.340 --> 00:34:49.447 align:middle line:84% And if a student actually needed human captions, 00:34:49.447 --> 00:34:50.739 align:middle line:90% then I would work to get those. 00:34:50.739 --> 00:34:52.590 align:middle line:84% But that is also a thing that institutions 00:34:52.590 --> 00:34:53.423 align:middle line:90% like to not provide. 00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:01.690 align:middle line:84% Those are some of the things that I do. 00:35:01.690 --> 00:35:04.390 align:middle line:84% And in my class we also had group work, which 00:35:04.390 --> 00:35:08.260 align:middle line:84% meant if kids were zooming into the lecture part 00:35:08.260 --> 00:35:10.240 align:middle line:84% I would tell them, OK now zoom into your group. 00:35:10.240 --> 00:35:12.130 align:middle line:84% And so the groups were responsible for making 00:35:12.130 --> 00:35:15.250 align:middle line:84% sure they included their remote teammates. 00:35:15.250 --> 00:35:19.680 align:middle line:84% And in order to enforce that, I also 00:35:19.680 --> 00:35:22.350 align:middle line:84% gave a lecture at the beginning of the class 00:35:22.350 --> 00:35:25.800 align:middle line:84% about how laziness does not exist. 00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:28.070 align:middle line:84% And so we have this trope in group work 00:35:28.070 --> 00:35:30.350 align:middle line:84% where there's somebody who's a slacker, who's 00:35:30.350 --> 00:35:31.970 align:middle line:90% not pulling their own weight. 00:35:31.970 --> 00:35:35.210 align:middle line:84% And I am very quick to disabuse students of the notion 00:35:35.210 --> 00:35:36.690 align:middle line:90% that that's really happening. 00:35:36.690 --> 00:35:38.450 align:middle line:84% And so when they have a teammate that 00:35:38.450 --> 00:35:40.575 align:middle line:84% doesn't seem to be showing up that they should just 00:35:40.575 --> 00:35:43.310 align:middle line:84% assume that they're going through something. 00:35:43.310 --> 00:35:44.717 align:middle line:90% You don't know what it is. 00:35:44.717 --> 00:35:46.550 align:middle line:84% You don't have the right to know what it is. 00:35:46.550 --> 00:35:48.740 align:middle line:84% They'll tell you if they feel safe with you. 00:35:48.740 --> 00:35:51.080 align:middle line:84% And to just continue to extend them the grace 00:35:51.080 --> 00:35:54.550 align:middle line:84% and give them the ways that they can participate. 00:35:54.550 --> 00:35:55.630 align:middle line:90% And if they do, great. 00:35:55.630 --> 00:35:57.880 align:middle line:84% And if they don't, it's not going to sink your project 00:35:57.880 --> 00:35:59.890 align:middle line:84% and their grade will suffer in other ways 00:35:59.890 --> 00:36:04.860 align:middle line:84% if they're really, really slacking, which is not nothing. 00:36:04.860 --> 00:36:09.540 align:middle line:84% So this reframing of you don't actually-- 00:36:09.540 --> 00:36:12.703 align:middle line:84% like, you can support each other. 00:36:12.703 --> 00:36:14.370 align:middle line:84% It really-- the attitudes of my students 00:36:14.370 --> 00:36:16.410 align:middle line:84% shift over the course of the semester, where they start out 00:36:16.410 --> 00:36:19.080 align:middle line:84% with some of these tensions between each other about who's 00:36:19.080 --> 00:36:21.870 align:middle line:84% doing the most work or who's not pulling their weight to, 00:36:21.870 --> 00:36:24.443 align:middle line:84% at the end, being free to ask each other for, 00:36:24.443 --> 00:36:25.860 align:middle line:84% can I get a little support on this 00:36:25.860 --> 00:36:27.660 align:middle line:84% because I'm struggling with this class? 00:36:27.660 --> 00:36:30.820 align:middle line:84% And actually, recognizing themselves as a community-- 00:36:30.820 --> 00:36:34.380 align:middle line:84% as a unit producing a final project and not 00:36:34.380 --> 00:36:35.565 align:middle line:90% some kind of machine. 00:36:38.930 --> 00:36:40.400 align:middle line:84% And then lastly, there's a comment 00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:42.620 align:middle line:84% in here about some of the tools that 00:36:42.620 --> 00:36:45.500 align:middle line:84% have been used to make remote education more 00:36:45.500 --> 00:36:48.770 align:middle line:84% engaging that are actually inaccessible, like Slack, 00:36:48.770 --> 00:36:51.245 align:middle line:90% and Jamboard, and Miro. 00:36:51.245 --> 00:36:54.410 align:middle line:84% These tools are very effective at creating 00:36:54.410 --> 00:36:56.870 align:middle line:84% in class discussions and activities, 00:36:56.870 --> 00:36:58.140 align:middle line:90% but they're not accessible. 00:36:58.140 --> 00:37:00.740 align:middle line:84% And when you write to the developers 00:37:00.740 --> 00:37:03.960 align:middle line:84% of these things about these problems, they do not care. 00:37:03.960 --> 00:37:07.920 align:middle line:84% And so I make it a policy not to use those technologies. 00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:13.200 align:middle line:84% I do use Slack because of a departmental requirement thing. 00:37:13.200 --> 00:37:17.350 align:middle line:84% But there are ways that Slack can be accessible, 00:37:17.350 --> 00:37:19.620 align:middle line:84% and there are new ways of framing etiquette 00:37:19.620 --> 00:37:21.180 align:middle line:84% about how you keep people apprised 00:37:21.180 --> 00:37:23.760 align:middle line:90% of important information. 00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:28.150 align:middle line:84% So those are some of the things that I do personally 00:37:28.150 --> 00:37:32.340 align:middle line:84% in my classes if you wanted practical, actionable advice, 00:37:32.340 --> 00:37:35.550 align:middle line:90% which I know is important. 00:37:35.550 --> 00:37:37.725 align:middle line:84% Above and beyond raging Elmo GIFs. 00:37:41.592 --> 00:37:43.050 align:middle line:84% MARTINA SVYANTEK: And in that vein, 00:37:43.050 --> 00:37:46.940 align:middle line:84% we've had a couple of questions/comments 00:37:46.940 --> 00:37:53.210 align:middle line:84% about working with other staff in HR around working remotely. 00:37:53.210 --> 00:37:55.340 align:middle line:90% Have you worked with unions? 00:37:55.340 --> 00:37:56.870 align:middle line:90% And a follow up is-- 00:37:56.870 --> 00:37:58.640 align:middle line:90% RUA MAE WILLIAMS: What union? 00:37:58.640 --> 00:38:00.140 align:middle line:84% I'm sorry, that was my first thought 00:38:00.140 --> 00:38:04.340 align:middle line:84% when I read that question is-- where are you? 00:38:04.340 --> 00:38:06.723 align:middle line:84% I mean, they do exist, obviously, and some of them 00:38:06.723 --> 00:38:07.640 align:middle line:90% can be very effective. 00:38:07.640 --> 00:38:12.240 align:middle line:84% But we don't all have access to those. 00:38:12.240 --> 00:38:16.410 align:middle line:84% So that's why I try to focus on interpersonal relationships 00:38:16.410 --> 00:38:20.430 align:middle line:84% because you can unionize without ever saying the word unionize. 00:38:23.750 --> 00:38:25.220 align:middle line:90% Oh, cool. 00:38:25.220 --> 00:38:26.700 align:middle line:90% That's great. 00:38:26.700 --> 00:38:27.870 align:middle line:90% That's wonderful. 00:38:27.870 --> 00:38:29.810 align:middle line:84% And that's not me being sarcastic. 00:38:29.810 --> 00:38:31.670 align:middle line:84% I'm really excited that Alaska is unionized. 00:38:31.670 --> 00:38:32.600 align:middle line:90% That's cool. 00:38:32.600 --> 00:38:33.410 align:middle line:90% Super cool. 00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:38.360 align:middle line:90% MARTINA SVYANTEK: Right. 00:38:38.360 --> 00:38:43.230 align:middle line:84% So if you have unions available, that's great. 00:38:43.230 --> 00:38:47.960 align:middle line:84% But if not, a large group of staff going to HR 00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:53.300 align:middle line:84% and working on updating their 20-plus year old 00:38:53.300 --> 00:38:58.640 align:middle line:84% working remote, telework, hybrid work, 00:38:58.640 --> 00:39:04.670 align:middle line:84% work leave agreements policy is probably a good place 00:39:04.670 --> 00:39:11.000 align:middle line:84% to start because you can go and say, this is older. 00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:13.100 align:middle line:90% This has not been touched. 00:39:13.100 --> 00:39:16.040 align:middle line:84% I think this needs to be addressed, 00:39:16.040 --> 00:39:20.040 align:middle line:84% and revamped, and revised in light of the current situation. 00:39:20.040 --> 00:39:24.380 align:middle line:84% And a lot of times, policy wonks and campuses 00:39:24.380 --> 00:39:26.640 align:middle line:90% will go, great, you do it. 00:39:26.640 --> 00:39:32.900 align:middle line:84% So if you've got people who have time and energy to devote 00:39:32.900 --> 00:39:36.110 align:middle line:84% to dealing with institutional policy, 00:39:36.110 --> 00:39:39.680 align:middle line:84% that could be a place to organize around. 00:39:39.680 --> 00:39:43.220 align:middle line:84% Is addressing that within the system 00:39:43.220 --> 00:39:47.330 align:middle line:84% that you are forced to work within, 00:39:47.330 --> 00:39:48.980 align:middle line:84% or finding a different system that 00:39:48.980 --> 00:39:51.860 align:middle line:84% has that union that's already fought that battle for you. 00:39:51.860 --> 00:39:56.150 align:middle line:84% RUA MAE WILLIAMS: And I will say on a more actionable union 00:39:56.150 --> 00:39:58.640 align:middle line:84% front is that one thing that is really important. 00:39:58.640 --> 00:40:00.470 align:middle line:84% When you are working within a union, 00:40:00.470 --> 00:40:03.050 align:middle line:84% is to be sensitive to when you might 00:40:03.050 --> 00:40:07.090 align:middle line:84% be throwing another group under the bus for your own benefit. 00:40:07.090 --> 00:40:09.610 align:middle line:84% And this is something that I see in some of the existing 00:40:09.610 --> 00:40:14.020 align:middle line:84% bargaining units that exist at the state institutions 00:40:14.020 --> 00:40:18.610 align:middle line:84% where faculty will cause harm to students through the way 00:40:18.610 --> 00:40:21.190 align:middle line:84% that they advocate for themselves. 00:40:21.190 --> 00:40:26.700 align:middle line:84% And that there's imperatives to be 00:40:26.700 --> 00:40:28.710 align:middle line:84% cross-movement in your organizing 00:40:28.710 --> 00:40:35.220 align:middle line:84% and to recognize when you are supporting your own interests 00:40:35.220 --> 00:40:36.825 align:middle line:90% at the expense of other people. 00:40:36.825 --> 00:40:38.700 align:middle line:84% And where you might actually find common ways 00:40:38.700 --> 00:40:40.900 align:middle line:84% to organize against your common enemy, 00:40:40.900 --> 00:40:46.094 align:middle line:84% which is the administrations which devalue everyone. 00:40:57.970 --> 00:41:00.460 align:middle line:84% There's another question about balancing 00:41:00.460 --> 00:41:04.375 align:middle line:84% remote hybrid participation and infrastructure with the higher 00:41:04.375 --> 00:41:06.250 align:middle line:84% cognitive burden that it places on a teacher. 00:41:06.250 --> 00:41:09.640 align:middle line:84% And that's definitely valid and real. 00:41:09.640 --> 00:41:11.800 align:middle line:84% And not everybody has access to a TA. 00:41:11.800 --> 00:41:16.360 align:middle line:84% When you do have a TA that is contracted to also attend 00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:18.520 align:middle line:84% class and not just be a grader, they 00:41:18.520 --> 00:41:21.370 align:middle line:84% can be that kind of support for you. 00:41:21.370 --> 00:41:28.240 align:middle line:84% But another thing that you can take from K through 12 00:41:28.240 --> 00:41:30.880 align:middle line:84% education and flipped classroom things is you 00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:32.770 align:middle line:84% can make your students your helpers-- 00:41:32.770 --> 00:41:34.180 align:middle line:90% volunteers, in this way. 00:41:34.180 --> 00:41:37.060 align:middle line:84% And I don't mean that in an exploitative sense, 00:41:37.060 --> 00:41:41.140 align:middle line:84% but this idea that the classroom is 00:41:41.140 --> 00:41:46.840 align:middle line:84% taking collective responsibility for everybody's equal access 00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:48.520 align:middle line:84% is an approach that you can take. 00:41:48.520 --> 00:41:52.250 align:middle line:84% And if you have to assign bonus points for it, you can do that. 00:41:52.250 --> 00:41:54.160 align:middle line:84% Or if you find people are just, like, super-- 00:41:54.160 --> 00:41:56.740 align:middle line:84% some people want to do it because it actually keeps 00:41:56.740 --> 00:41:58.190 align:middle line:90% them engaged and helps them. 00:41:58.190 --> 00:42:03.250 align:middle line:84% So those are approaches that you can use to take the burden off 00:42:03.250 --> 00:42:03.775 align:middle line:90% of yourself. 00:42:16.390 --> 00:42:20.820 align:middle line:84% I'm suddenly staring at a screen of, like, blank. 00:42:20.820 --> 00:42:22.930 align:middle line:84% MARTINA SVYANTEK: I stopped sharing my screen 00:42:22.930 --> 00:42:28.258 align:middle line:84% because I realized it was just nothing to share there anymore. 00:42:30.890 --> 00:42:33.670 align:middle line:84% Let's see, one of the responses we've had in chat-- 00:42:33.670 --> 00:42:35.590 align:middle line:90% or the Google form-- 00:42:35.590 --> 00:42:37.330 align:middle line:84% "Our institution, we very much have 00:42:37.330 --> 00:42:38.840 align:middle line:84% been trying to be inclusive, giving 00:42:38.840 --> 00:42:40.540 align:middle line:90% a remote access as an option. 00:42:40.540 --> 00:42:42.790 align:middle line:84% That should be an accommodation option. 00:42:42.790 --> 00:42:45.910 align:middle line:84% However, the response has been, we 00:42:45.910 --> 00:42:49.450 align:middle line:84% are in an in-person, residential institution. 00:42:49.450 --> 00:42:51.550 align:middle line:84% If you signed up for an in-person class, 00:42:51.550 --> 00:42:53.200 align:middle line:84% your accommodation should be determined 00:42:53.200 --> 00:42:56.410 align:middle line:84% to help attend in person, not remotely. 00:42:56.410 --> 00:42:59.320 align:middle line:84% They feel that from an ADA compliance standpoint, 00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:00.860 align:middle line:90% that is allowed." 00:43:00.860 --> 00:43:04.150 align:middle line:84% And this commenter says, "I don't 00:43:04.150 --> 00:43:06.730 align:middle line:84% know that I disagree compliance-wise, but 00:43:06.730 --> 00:43:09.730 align:middle line:84% inclusion-wise, it doesn't feel good. 00:43:09.730 --> 00:43:12.130 align:middle line:84% Any way we can combat this narrative 00:43:12.130 --> 00:43:15.190 align:middle line:90% and influence academic affairs?" 00:43:15.190 --> 00:43:17.540 align:middle line:90% RUA MAE WILLIAMS: Yes. 00:43:17.540 --> 00:43:18.040 align:middle line:90% So-- 00:43:18.040 --> 00:43:19.180 align:middle line:90% MARTINA SVYANTEK: How? 00:43:19.180 --> 00:43:21.430 align:middle line:84% RUA MAE WILLIAMS: In the specific case 00:43:21.430 --> 00:43:22.930 align:middle line:84% of an administration that doesn't 00:43:22.930 --> 00:43:24.940 align:middle line:84% want to grant remote access to, quote 00:43:24.940 --> 00:43:28.300 align:middle line:84% unquote, "residential students," you 00:43:28.300 --> 00:43:33.192 align:middle line:84% can use a few examples that can be quite compelling. 00:43:33.192 --> 00:43:34.900 align:middle line:84% Some of them are more effective depending 00:43:34.900 --> 00:43:36.067 align:middle line:90% on what climate you live in. 00:43:36.067 --> 00:43:41.380 align:middle line:84% But there are existing precedents 00:43:41.380 --> 00:43:44.740 align:middle line:84% for flexible attendance accommodations. 00:43:44.740 --> 00:43:46.870 align:middle line:84% And if there's flexible attendance accommodations, 00:43:46.870 --> 00:43:49.287 align:middle line:84% why wouldn't you want to provide them with the opportunity 00:43:49.287 --> 00:43:53.913 align:middle line:84% to appear synchronously in some manner, if it were possible, 00:43:53.913 --> 00:43:55.330 align:middle line:84% and the only barrier were actually 00:43:55.330 --> 00:43:56.920 align:middle line:84% something keeping them from being physically present 00:43:56.920 --> 00:43:57.640 align:middle line:90% in that room? 00:44:00.430 --> 00:44:05.025 align:middle line:84% So that is an argument tactic that you can use. 00:44:05.025 --> 00:44:06.900 align:middle line:84% But you have to be careful, because then they 00:44:06.900 --> 00:44:09.540 align:middle line:84% might want to take away flexible attendance in the sense 00:44:09.540 --> 00:44:11.923 align:middle line:84% that, OK, some of our kids are actually in hospital rooms 00:44:11.923 --> 00:44:13.590 align:middle line:84% right now, and I don't want them to have 00:44:13.590 --> 00:44:15.757 align:middle line:84% to be on Zoom while they're in a hospital bed, which 00:44:15.757 --> 00:44:17.855 align:middle line:84% is the thing that I have had happen every semester 00:44:17.855 --> 00:44:19.230 align:middle line:84% since the pandemic started, where 00:44:19.230 --> 00:44:21.655 align:middle line:84% I've had a kid Zoom into my class from their hospital bed. 00:44:21.655 --> 00:44:23.280 align:middle line:84% And they shouldn't have had to do that. 00:44:28.850 --> 00:44:31.040 align:middle line:84% But also, there are other things that 00:44:31.040 --> 00:44:34.400 align:middle line:84% prevent residential students from attending class 00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:37.190 align:middle line:84% in person that are disability-related 00:44:37.190 --> 00:44:40.760 align:middle line:84% and also directly implicate the institution in its failure 00:44:40.760 --> 00:44:44.810 align:middle line:90% to provide accessible space. 00:44:44.810 --> 00:44:50.290 align:middle line:84% And what I mean is when it snows, some of my students 00:44:50.290 --> 00:44:51.415 align:middle line:90% are trapped in their dorms. 00:44:55.670 --> 00:44:59.270 align:middle line:84% So, why the fuck don't they get to attend remotely? 00:44:59.270 --> 00:45:02.670 align:middle line:84% Because you didn't shovel the walkway? 00:45:02.670 --> 00:45:04.343 align:middle line:84% And so these are real things that 00:45:04.343 --> 00:45:05.760 align:middle line:84% happen, where I have students that 00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:09.090 align:middle line:84% have to choose between potentially slipping on the ice 00:45:09.090 --> 00:45:12.498 align:middle line:84% and getting food because the dining hall that's open 00:45:12.498 --> 00:45:14.790 align:middle line:84% is the one that's furthest away and a longer route that 00:45:14.790 --> 00:45:15.665 align:middle line:90% hasn't been shoveled. 00:45:19.170 --> 00:45:23.063 align:middle line:84% And I am coming from Indiana, where it snows like this. 00:45:23.063 --> 00:45:24.480 align:middle line:84% But I also just came from Florida, 00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:25.855 align:middle line:84% where it does not snow like that, 00:45:25.855 --> 00:45:28.740 align:middle line:90% but we do have torrential rains. 00:45:28.740 --> 00:45:32.130 align:middle line:84% And motorized wheelchairs don't work in the rain. 00:45:32.130 --> 00:45:35.430 align:middle line:84% So why can't that student attend remotely when it's raining? 00:45:35.430 --> 00:45:39.480 align:middle line:84% And so these are arguments that may work 00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:42.900 align:middle line:90% because they're very logical. 00:45:42.900 --> 00:45:45.058 align:middle line:84% And I hope that they work for you. 00:45:45.058 --> 00:45:45.600 align:middle line:90% I don't know. 00:45:52.640 --> 00:45:55.310 align:middle line:84% MARTINA SVYANTEK: I think what Rua is pointing out 00:45:55.310 --> 00:45:59.880 align:middle line:84% is that these are students who want to be attending classes. 00:45:59.880 --> 00:46:03.470 align:middle line:84% However, the issue is that for whatever reason, 00:46:03.470 --> 00:46:07.790 align:middle line:84% they're not able to physically make it into that room. 00:46:07.790 --> 00:46:10.280 align:middle line:84% And that reason that they can't make it into the room 00:46:10.280 --> 00:46:13.470 align:middle line:84% could occur at any point in time. 00:46:13.470 --> 00:46:17.720 align:middle line:84% So they might make that trek over the ice, 00:46:17.720 --> 00:46:20.630 align:middle line:84% slip, fall, break their leg, and now they 00:46:20.630 --> 00:46:23.000 align:middle line:84% can't get to their classroom because they're 00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:27.590 align:middle line:84% in the second story of a non-elevator accessible 00:46:27.590 --> 00:46:28.640 align:middle line:90% building. 00:46:28.640 --> 00:46:34.420 align:middle line:84% So they've compounded the problem 00:46:34.420 --> 00:46:38.320 align:middle line:84% placed by a lack of remote access into classes. 00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:43.000 align:middle line:84% And the fact that we're focusing on, again, 00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:46.930 align:middle line:84% the in-person experience of a residential college 00:46:46.930 --> 00:46:51.680 align:middle line:84% because, again, this is pointing back to the-- this is normal. 00:46:51.680 --> 00:46:53.710 align:middle line:84% This is the way we've always done it. 00:46:56.760 --> 00:47:01.380 align:middle line:84% That normal has not existed forever, 00:47:01.380 --> 00:47:03.990 align:middle line:90% since the beginning of time. 00:47:03.990 --> 00:47:07.090 align:middle line:84% And that normal was created by other people, 00:47:07.090 --> 00:47:08.670 align:middle line:84% and we're people too, so we should 00:47:08.670 --> 00:47:11.910 align:middle line:84% be able to change that normal to make something that works 00:47:11.910 --> 00:47:16.320 align:middle line:84% for us now, as opposed to being beholden to something 00:47:16.320 --> 00:47:20.790 align:middle line:84% that has been in place just because it's previously 00:47:20.790 --> 00:47:21.570 align:middle line:90% existed. 00:47:21.570 --> 00:47:24.000 align:middle line:84% If it's not working, why do we keep 00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:27.960 align:middle line:84% running into the same walls without saying 00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:29.983 align:middle line:90% we need to remove this wall? 00:47:29.983 --> 00:47:32.400 align:middle line:84% RUA MAE WILLIAMS: And that kind of comes back to this idea 00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:34.980 align:middle line:90% that it was ever working. 00:47:34.980 --> 00:47:38.520 align:middle line:84% So the people that want to clamp down 00:47:38.520 --> 00:47:41.993 align:middle line:84% on these accommodations and these sorts of graces 00:47:41.993 --> 00:47:44.160 align:middle line:84% that we've extended to each other over the pandemic, 00:47:44.160 --> 00:47:48.310 align:middle line:84% are people who thought that the way it was good. 00:47:48.310 --> 00:47:49.280 align:middle line:90% It wasn't good. 00:47:52.220 --> 00:47:56.110 align:middle line:84% There are people that you never saw in class that you 00:47:56.110 --> 00:47:58.140 align:middle line:90% could have in your classes. 00:47:58.140 --> 00:48:02.260 align:middle line:84% But in a different world that we can all make together. 00:48:02.260 --> 00:48:09.285 align:middle line:84% So just part of the argument is making it clear 00:48:09.285 --> 00:48:10.785 align:middle line:84% that it actually wasn't good before. 00:48:25.087 --> 00:48:27.170 align:middle line:84% MARTINA SVYANTEK: Going to refresh the Google form 00:48:27.170 --> 00:48:31.130 align:middle line:84% and see if there have been more responses while we've been-- 00:48:31.130 --> 00:48:32.630 align:middle line:84% RUA MAE WILLIAMS: Also, I don't know 00:48:32.630 --> 00:48:35.860 align:middle line:84% if I'm, like, scaring the audience because I 00:48:35.860 --> 00:48:40.670 align:middle line:90% get aggressive or whatever. 00:48:40.670 --> 00:48:45.360 align:middle line:84% But nobody is saying things, which 00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:47.840 align:middle line:84% may be because they want to stay anonymous. 00:48:47.840 --> 00:48:50.490 align:middle line:84% And I'm just sort of like, I'm yelling at the screen 00:48:50.490 --> 00:48:52.820 align:middle line:90% and I hope you all feel OK. 00:48:52.820 --> 00:48:54.570 align:middle line:84% Although, if any of you are administrators 00:48:54.570 --> 00:48:56.903 align:middle line:84% that are responsible for some of these decisions, I hope 00:48:56.903 --> 00:48:58.480 align:middle line:90% you feel bad. 00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:01.625 align:middle line:84% And it's OK to feel bad because that will make you change. 00:49:01.625 --> 00:49:03.500 align:middle line:84% BRIANNA BLASER: And I was just going to say-- 00:49:03.500 --> 00:49:06.650 align:middle line:84% RUA MAE WILLIAMS: I make you feel bad because I love you. 00:49:06.650 --> 00:49:07.430 align:middle line:84% BRIANNA BLASER: I was just going to say, too, 00:49:07.430 --> 00:49:09.830 align:middle line:84% folks can raise their hands and unmute too, if they 00:49:09.830 --> 00:49:12.620 align:middle line:90% want to ask questions verbally. 00:49:12.620 --> 00:49:14.420 align:middle line:84% We can use universal design here. 00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:21.190 align:middle line:84% I will say something I have been thinking about too, 00:49:21.190 --> 00:49:23.733 align:middle line:84% is think-- oh, I see Seta's hand now. 00:49:23.733 --> 00:49:25.150 align:middle line:84% Do you want to ask your questions? 00:49:25.150 --> 00:49:25.900 align:middle line:90% SETA WHITBY: Yeah. 00:49:25.900 --> 00:49:28.200 align:middle line:84% I just want to say you are very passionate, 00:49:28.200 --> 00:49:31.470 align:middle line:84% and I wish I have you as my faculty 00:49:31.470 --> 00:49:35.970 align:middle line:84% because it shows that we care about our students. 00:49:35.970 --> 00:49:40.230 align:middle line:84% And that's the thing is, there are some faculty who say, 00:49:40.230 --> 00:49:42.280 align:middle line:90% either my way or the highway. 00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:45.240 align:middle line:90% And they should not be teachers. 00:49:45.240 --> 00:49:47.430 align:middle line:90% And so I really appreciate that. 00:49:53.230 --> 00:49:56.563 align:middle line:84% BRIANNA BLASER: I always appreciate your passion too. 00:49:56.563 --> 00:49:58.480 align:middle line:84% It's something I've been thinking a lot about, 00:49:58.480 --> 00:50:01.630 align:middle line:90% too, is life beyond campus. 00:50:01.630 --> 00:50:06.310 align:middle line:84% So thinking about conferences, and what 00:50:06.310 --> 00:50:08.290 align:middle line:84% does that mean as they go forward hybrid? 00:50:08.290 --> 00:50:11.140 align:middle line:84% I went to one hybrid that I attended remotely, 00:50:11.140 --> 00:50:13.940 align:middle line:84% and I may as well have not attended. 00:50:13.940 --> 00:50:15.470 align:middle line:90% It was not a great experience. 00:50:15.470 --> 00:50:17.800 align:middle line:84% And so trying to think about how do we do that well, 00:50:17.800 --> 00:50:20.860 align:middle line:84% and what does that mean, and the importance of 00:50:20.860 --> 00:50:21.830 align:middle line:90% having that option. 00:50:21.830 --> 00:50:22.540 align:middle line:90% So I don't know. 00:50:22.540 --> 00:50:24.177 align:middle line:84% I'll just let you guys talk to that. 00:50:24.177 --> 00:50:26.260 align:middle line:84% RUA MAE WILLIAMS: We don't have enough time for me 00:50:26.260 --> 00:50:31.960 align:middle line:84% to talk about conferences I am so mad about it. 00:50:31.960 --> 00:50:35.350 align:middle line:84% But I will say that, like the other things we've 00:50:35.350 --> 00:50:37.570 align:middle line:84% been discussing, the problems with conferences 00:50:37.570 --> 00:50:42.310 align:middle line:84% predated COVID and have been illustrated by the cracks 00:50:42.310 --> 00:50:45.820 align:middle line:90% that these issues have revealed. 00:50:45.820 --> 00:50:49.150 align:middle line:84% And so one of the problems one of the primary problems 00:50:49.150 --> 00:50:50.860 align:middle line:84% with conferences is the way that they 00:50:50.860 --> 00:50:56.050 align:middle line:84% are organized leaves access to a point in the process 00:50:56.050 --> 00:51:00.440 align:middle line:84% where it's often too late to actually deal with effectively. 00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:03.020 align:middle line:84% So, like, site selection often happens two years 00:51:03.020 --> 00:51:05.120 align:middle line:84% before any of the volunteer faculty 00:51:05.120 --> 00:51:07.190 align:middle line:90% are appointed as organizers. 00:51:07.190 --> 00:51:10.100 align:middle line:84% And so you already start off an organizing team 00:51:10.100 --> 00:51:12.770 align:middle line:84% under a failure condition, where the venue has 00:51:12.770 --> 00:51:18.870 align:middle line:84% been chosen without any regard to accessibility concerns. 00:51:18.870 --> 00:51:21.410 align:middle line:84% And with the possible minimum of, 00:51:21.410 --> 00:51:24.680 align:middle line:84% the building claims it's ADA accessible. 00:51:24.680 --> 00:51:31.900 align:middle line:84% That has to change as a global, academic, and conference-based 00:51:31.900 --> 00:51:34.850 align:middle line:90% culture change. 00:51:34.850 --> 00:51:38.810 align:middle line:84% And we have been working on that in the CHI community-- 00:51:38.810 --> 00:51:45.290 align:middle line:84% the ACM, computer human interaction cloud 00:51:45.290 --> 00:51:47.210 align:middle line:84% community-- for a number of years, 00:51:47.210 --> 00:51:48.830 align:middle line:84% and the progress that we're making 00:51:48.830 --> 00:51:53.460 align:middle line:84% is very minimal, and very slow, and very frustrating. 00:51:53.460 --> 00:51:57.920 align:middle line:84% And then hybrid access really only 00:51:57.920 --> 00:52:03.350 align:middle line:84% came to be popular in this, sort of, we're leaving COVID phase. 00:52:03.350 --> 00:52:06.800 align:middle line:84% But it hasn't been approached with any sense of actually 00:52:06.800 --> 00:52:09.260 align:middle line:84% making meaningful social connections between people 00:52:09.260 --> 00:52:12.500 align:middle line:84% attending hybrid and in person, or even 00:52:12.500 --> 00:52:15.590 align:middle line:90% between hybrid attendees. 00:52:15.590 --> 00:52:19.310 align:middle line:84% And I don't want it to turn into a situation where you have 00:52:19.310 --> 00:52:23.940 align:middle line:84% segregation based on people from the global South 00:52:23.940 --> 00:52:27.990 align:middle line:84% or from ecologically disadvantaged communities, 00:52:27.990 --> 00:52:30.240 align:middle line:84% and disabled people are all in the hybrid-- 00:52:30.240 --> 00:52:33.480 align:middle line:84% are all online-- and everybody else is in person. 00:52:33.480 --> 00:52:36.090 align:middle line:84% But also, there are ways that we can do this well. 00:52:36.090 --> 00:52:41.490 align:middle line:84% But you have to plan for it instead of pivoting to it when 00:52:41.490 --> 00:52:44.390 align:middle line:90% things go wrong. 00:52:44.390 --> 00:52:47.520 align:middle line:84% We tried to make this happen at CHI this year. 00:52:47.520 --> 00:52:49.100 align:middle line:84% But again, the committees that were 00:52:49.100 --> 00:52:50.600 align:middle line:84% in charge of that we're not actually 00:52:50.600 --> 00:52:53.330 align:middle line:84% given the infrastructural power or monetary support to make 00:52:53.330 --> 00:52:55.730 align:middle line:84% meaningful hybrid interactions occur. 00:52:58.330 --> 00:53:00.450 align:middle line:90% And so it's been a problem. 00:53:00.450 --> 00:53:02.700 align:middle line:84% And Brianna and Martina know that even 00:53:02.700 --> 00:53:07.410 align:middle line:84% before that, just in-person access has been impossible. 00:53:07.410 --> 00:53:09.587 align:middle line:84% Like, how many-- every year, multiple times 00:53:09.587 --> 00:53:11.670 align:middle line:84% a year, I had to fight with people about-- can you 00:53:11.670 --> 00:53:16.247 align:middle line:84% not flash cameras at me because I get terrible headaches 00:53:16.247 --> 00:53:16.830 align:middle line:90% because of it? 00:53:16.830 --> 00:53:18.600 align:middle line:84% And I have friends that would just die, 00:53:18.600 --> 00:53:20.365 align:middle line:90% so can you just not do that? 00:53:20.365 --> 00:53:22.740 align:middle line:84% Maybe my friends could actually come to these conferences 00:53:22.740 --> 00:53:24.720 align:middle line:84% if you weren't flashing all the time. 00:53:24.720 --> 00:53:26.220 align:middle line:84% And so these are the kinds of things 00:53:26.220 --> 00:53:28.870 align:middle line:84% that we have been fighting about for a long time. 00:53:33.210 --> 00:53:35.442 align:middle line:84% The solution is to actually care and to have 00:53:35.442 --> 00:53:36.900 align:middle line:84% meaningful, authentic relationships 00:53:36.900 --> 00:53:39.600 align:middle line:84% with disabled people, and to have 00:53:39.600 --> 00:53:40.920 align:middle line:90% them lead to these initiatives. 00:53:40.920 --> 00:53:45.027 align:middle line:84% But so far we like to just put them as, like, 00:53:45.027 --> 00:53:46.860 align:middle line:84% a chair of a committee that doesn't actually 00:53:46.860 --> 00:53:47.860 align:middle line:90% have any power or money. 00:53:47.860 --> 00:53:50.080 align:middle line:84% And then, when it turns out to be inaccessible, 00:53:50.080 --> 00:53:51.622 align:middle line:84% then you have disabled people yelling 00:53:51.622 --> 00:53:52.664 align:middle line:90% at other disabled people. 00:53:52.664 --> 00:53:54.997 align:middle line:84% Which is another thing that happens, where they're like, 00:53:54.997 --> 00:53:55.500 align:middle line:90% you failed. 00:53:55.500 --> 00:53:57.792 align:middle line:84% And it's like, yes, I know because I was never actually 00:53:57.792 --> 00:54:01.180 align:middle line:84% going to succeed, because they didn't actually want me to. 00:54:09.780 --> 00:54:12.602 align:middle line:84% BRIANNA BLASER: Well, we are near the end of our hour here. 00:54:12.602 --> 00:54:14.060 align:middle line:84% This has been a great conversation, 00:54:14.060 --> 00:54:18.050 align:middle line:84% but I want to invite you to finish up, offer any closing 00:54:18.050 --> 00:54:22.085 align:middle line:84% thoughts, or anything you'd like to share with our audience. 00:54:26.782 --> 00:54:27.740 align:middle line:90% MARTINA SVYANTEK: Sure. 00:54:27.740 --> 00:54:28.710 align:middle line:90% So I'll go first. 00:54:28.710 --> 00:54:30.965 align:middle line:84% So Rua, you can take another couple of minutes. 00:54:34.590 --> 00:54:37.790 align:middle line:84% First of all, thank you all for coming 00:54:37.790 --> 00:54:41.520 align:middle line:84% to together this afternoon, or morning, or wherever you are, 00:54:41.520 --> 00:54:44.910 align:middle line:90% whenever you are today. 00:54:44.910 --> 00:54:47.930 align:middle line:84% This is one of the great things about having 00:54:47.930 --> 00:54:54.380 align:middle line:84% Zoom as a platform is that we can all attend, 00:54:54.380 --> 00:54:55.490 align:middle line:90% all at the same time. 00:54:55.490 --> 00:54:58.190 align:middle line:84% And I didn't have to show up anywhere differently. 00:54:58.190 --> 00:55:00.860 align:middle line:84% I didn't have to find some place other than my computer 00:55:00.860 --> 00:55:02.150 align:middle line:90% to go to. 00:55:02.150 --> 00:55:04.910 align:middle line:84% Did have to figure out where on my computer 00:55:04.910 --> 00:55:08.165 align:middle line:84% I needed to go to find the right link, but that was doable. 00:55:11.660 --> 00:55:15.620 align:middle line:84% The thing that really kept reminding us all, 00:55:15.620 --> 00:55:17.810 align:middle line:84% and me especially, when I was talking about, 00:55:17.810 --> 00:55:21.080 align:middle line:84% hey, we're trying to return to normal, 00:55:21.080 --> 00:55:22.730 align:middle line:84% and there are walls in the place. 00:55:22.730 --> 00:55:29.260 align:middle line:84% Is that normal is defined, but it doesn't work. 00:55:29.260 --> 00:55:32.920 align:middle line:90% And returning to normal-- 00:55:32.920 --> 00:55:34.480 align:middle line:90% heading to a new normal-- 00:55:34.480 --> 00:55:37.570 align:middle line:84% means that we're going to have to sit down and have 00:55:37.570 --> 00:55:40.780 align:middle line:84% a real discussion of what that means, what it looks like, 00:55:40.780 --> 00:55:44.720 align:middle line:84% and who it has been built around excluding. 00:55:44.720 --> 00:55:47.750 align:middle line:84% And it's been built around excluding a lot 00:55:47.750 --> 00:55:50.630 align:middle line:90% of people for a long time. 00:55:50.630 --> 00:55:54.080 align:middle line:84% And grappling with that fact in order to move forward 00:55:54.080 --> 00:55:57.350 align:middle line:90% is one of the first steps. 00:55:57.350 --> 00:55:58.160 align:middle line:90% Your turn, Rua. 00:56:00.225 --> 00:56:02.225 align:middle line:84% RUA MAE WILLIAMS: Oh, but haven't I said enough? 00:56:05.780 --> 00:56:08.150 align:middle line:90% Yep. 00:56:08.150 --> 00:56:11.270 align:middle line:84% So I think Martina mentioned on one 00:56:11.270 --> 00:56:14.300 align:middle line:84% of the slides earlier the #AccessIsLove love campaign 00:56:14.300 --> 00:56:16.490 align:middle line:90% started by a Mia Mingus. 00:56:16.490 --> 00:56:18.350 align:middle line:84% And so I want to bring it back there 00:56:18.350 --> 00:56:19.850 align:middle line:84% because what I've been talking about 00:56:19.850 --> 00:56:21.980 align:middle line:84% is the interpersonal relations and the way 00:56:21.980 --> 00:56:24.980 align:middle line:84% that you treat each other, and the way that you can actually 00:56:24.980 --> 00:56:28.070 align:middle line:84% form collective forms of organizing 00:56:28.070 --> 00:56:31.370 align:middle line:84% without ever whispering the word union or revolution. 00:56:31.370 --> 00:56:36.570 align:middle line:84% Is to just love each other, and to treat 00:56:36.570 --> 00:56:39.630 align:middle line:84% each other with this grace, and kindness, and respect, 00:56:39.630 --> 00:56:40.470 align:middle line:90% and love. 00:56:40.470 --> 00:56:46.420 align:middle line:84% And to do this for each other and for yourselves as a way 00:56:46.420 --> 00:56:48.100 align:middle line:84% to resist the way the institutions 00:56:48.100 --> 00:56:49.720 align:middle line:90% want us to hurt each other. 00:56:53.420 --> 00:56:55.440 align:middle line:90% That's all I got. 00:56:55.440 --> 00:56:56.440 align:middle line:90% BRIANNA BLASER: Awesome. 00:56:56.440 --> 00:56:59.350 align:middle line:84% Thank you so much, Rua and Martina, for joining us. 00:56:59.350 --> 00:57:04.690 align:middle line:84% And I always appreciate your point of view and thoughts. 00:57:04.690 --> 00:57:06.730 align:middle line:84% And thanks, everybody, for joining us as well. 00:57:06.730 --> 00:57:09.730 align:middle line:84% I will be sending out an evaluation over email. 00:57:09.730 --> 00:57:12.050 align:middle line:90% I encourage you to fill it out. 00:57:12.050 --> 00:57:14.710 align:middle line:84% And I will drop the link in the chat as well. 00:57:16.982 --> 00:57:18.940 align:middle line:84% I'm going to send it over email because I don't 00:57:18.940 --> 00:57:20.980 align:middle line:90% have it easily accessible. 00:57:20.980 --> 00:57:22.970 align:middle line:84% But it was great seeing everybody today. 00:57:22.970 --> 00:57:24.930 align:middle line:90% Thank you so much.