WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:00.120 align:middle line:90% 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:01.203 align:middle line:90% BRIANNA BLASER: Excellent. 00:00:01.203 --> 00:00:02.650 align:middle line:90% It looks like it's quieted down. 00:00:02.650 --> 00:00:04.358 align:middle line:84% So I'm going to go ahead and get started. 00:00:04.358 --> 00:00:07.060 align:middle line:84% Thanks, everybody, for joining us today. 00:00:07.060 --> 00:00:09.905 align:middle line:84% I want to remind you that we have captioning available 00:00:09.905 --> 00:00:10.530 align:middle line:90% if you need it. 00:00:10.530 --> 00:00:12.590 align:middle line:84% So you can go to the bottom of your screen 00:00:12.590 --> 00:00:17.250 align:middle line:84% and you should be able to find a place to turn on captions. 00:00:17.250 --> 00:00:21.150 align:middle line:84% So again, I'm glad everybody could join us today 00:00:21.150 --> 00:00:23.460 align:middle line:84% to think about graduate school and applying 00:00:23.460 --> 00:00:24.370 align:middle line:90% for graduate school. 00:00:24.370 --> 00:00:26.550 align:middle line:84% And so here's what we're going to do. 00:00:26.550 --> 00:00:28.410 align:middle line:84% Our AccessComputing PI Richard Ladner 00:00:28.410 --> 00:00:32.326 align:middle line:84% is with us today and he is going to share 00:00:32.326 --> 00:00:36.053 align:middle line:84% some about his experiences and suggestions 00:00:36.053 --> 00:00:37.470 align:middle line:84% about applying to graduate school. 00:00:37.470 --> 00:00:39.270 align:middle line:84% And then we'll have a panel discussion 00:00:39.270 --> 00:00:41.490 align:middle line:84% with some current graduate students. 00:00:41.490 --> 00:00:45.440 align:middle line:84% So we have Anna Kirkpatrick from Georgia Tech, 00:00:45.440 --> 00:00:48.360 align:middle line:84% Ather Sharif, who's a graduate student here at UW, 00:00:48.360 --> 00:00:50.490 align:middle line:84% and Liia Butler, who is a graduate student 00:00:50.490 --> 00:00:52.660 align:middle line:90% at the University of Illinois. 00:00:52.660 --> 00:00:55.390 align:middle line:84% So we'll be hearing from them in a little bit, 00:00:55.390 --> 00:00:59.493 align:middle line:84% but for right now, I will turn it over to Richard. 00:00:59.493 --> 00:01:00.410 align:middle line:90% RICHARD LADNER: Great. 00:01:00.410 --> 00:01:03.140 align:middle line:90% Great to see you all. 00:01:03.140 --> 00:01:06.035 align:middle line:84% I have some slides I'm going to show. 00:01:06.035 --> 00:01:17.760 align:middle line:90% 00:01:17.760 --> 00:01:18.260 align:middle line:90% Second. 00:01:18.260 --> 00:01:25.640 align:middle line:90% 00:01:25.640 --> 00:01:29.130 align:middle line:90% Everybody see those OK? 00:01:29.130 --> 00:01:29.630 align:middle line:90% Great. 00:01:29.630 --> 00:01:30.650 align:middle line:90% BRIANNA BLASER: Yep. 00:01:30.650 --> 00:01:35.340 align:middle line:84% RICHARD LADNER: And as I go along here, please, 00:01:35.340 --> 00:01:43.070 align:middle line:84% if you have a question, just turn on your microphone 00:01:43.070 --> 00:01:45.410 align:middle line:90% and ask it. 00:01:45.410 --> 00:01:48.320 align:middle line:84% Or, Brianna, can you just alert me 00:01:48.320 --> 00:01:51.140 align:middle line:84% if somebody has a question by holding their hand up 00:01:51.140 --> 00:01:52.255 align:middle line:90% or something like that? 00:01:52.255 --> 00:01:53.130 align:middle line:90% BRIANNA BLASER: Yeah. 00:01:53.130 --> 00:01:53.630 align:middle line:90% Yeah. 00:01:53.630 --> 00:01:54.660 align:middle line:90% Absolutely. 00:01:54.660 --> 00:01:58.560 align:middle line:84% RICHARD LADNER: There's a way to do that on Zoom. 00:01:58.560 --> 00:02:01.390 align:middle line:84% So today I'm just going to talk about graduate school 00:02:01.390 --> 00:02:07.050 align:middle line:84% generally, not just PhD programs but all kinds of programs 00:02:07.050 --> 00:02:09.360 align:middle line:90% that are graduate level. 00:02:09.360 --> 00:02:11.680 align:middle line:84% I know our three panelists are PhD students 00:02:11.680 --> 00:02:15.600 align:middle line:84% so that's kind of awesome so that'll dig deep on that. 00:02:15.600 --> 00:02:17.460 align:middle line:84% So I might go more slowly over that-- 00:02:17.460 --> 00:02:19.350 align:middle line:90% I mean fast over the PhD part. 00:02:19.350 --> 00:02:22.280 align:middle line:90% 00:02:22.280 --> 00:02:26.680 align:middle line:84% And also, the panelists might have some thoughts as well. 00:02:26.680 --> 00:02:28.350 align:middle line:90% So let's go. 00:02:28.350 --> 00:02:30.840 align:middle line:84% There I am, Professor Emeritus at the University 00:02:30.840 --> 00:02:37.680 align:middle line:84% of Washington, and our panel Anna, Ather, and Liia. 00:02:37.680 --> 00:02:42.060 align:middle line:84% Really excited to meet all of you. 00:02:42.060 --> 00:02:46.740 align:middle line:84% The first part I'm going to about why grad school at all. 00:02:46.740 --> 00:02:50.250 align:middle line:84% And hopefully that'll answer some of your questions. 00:02:50.250 --> 00:02:52.860 align:middle line:84% And then I'll talk about different types and research 00:02:52.860 --> 00:02:58.350 align:middle line:84% careers and the steps you need to get there. 00:02:58.350 --> 00:02:59.482 align:middle line:90% I might go through that-- 00:02:59.482 --> 00:03:01.440 align:middle line:84% that's a great question for our three panelists 00:03:01.440 --> 00:03:04.260 align:middle line:84% so I might have their description for how 00:03:04.260 --> 00:03:06.768 align:middle line:84% they prepared for their graduate program. 00:03:06.768 --> 00:03:07.560 align:middle line:90% And then the panel. 00:03:07.560 --> 00:03:11.160 align:middle line:90% 00:03:11.160 --> 00:03:13.560 align:middle line:84% If you like-- if you think about the undergraduate major, 00:03:13.560 --> 00:03:16.110 align:middle line:84% you could be computer science or information science 00:03:16.110 --> 00:03:19.530 align:middle line:84% or information technology, these are just getting your foot 00:03:19.530 --> 00:03:24.180 align:middle line:84% in the door in terms of knowledge 00:03:24.180 --> 00:03:27.540 align:middle line:84% about computer science or information technology or data 00:03:27.540 --> 00:03:31.170 align:middle line:84% science or any of the fields that you could be in. 00:03:31.170 --> 00:03:35.010 align:middle line:84% And so the graduate degree just opens up new doors. 00:03:35.010 --> 00:03:38.190 align:middle line:84% You can advance in your career, you 00:03:38.190 --> 00:03:42.030 align:middle line:84% can do more advanced development if you're a developer, 00:03:42.030 --> 00:03:45.240 align:middle line:84% or you could get into real research, 00:03:45.240 --> 00:03:47.610 align:middle line:84% or you could do a university teaching and research. 00:03:47.610 --> 00:03:51.150 align:middle line:84% So once you have the graduate degree, masters or PhD, 00:03:51.150 --> 00:03:52.440 align:middle line:90% you can go further. 00:03:52.440 --> 00:03:57.980 align:middle line:84% And you will know more and be more proficient. 00:03:57.980 --> 00:04:00.972 align:middle line:84% For advancement, if you have a job already, maybe 00:04:00.972 --> 00:04:02.930 align:middle line:84% you're just going to get your bachelor's degree 00:04:02.930 --> 00:04:06.330 align:middle line:90% and go work for Microsoft, say. 00:04:06.330 --> 00:04:08.150 align:middle line:84% Well, they have a program at Microsoft 00:04:08.150 --> 00:04:12.363 align:middle line:84% to support students going to school part time. 00:04:12.363 --> 00:04:14.780 align:middle line:84% In fact, University Washington has a professional master's 00:04:14.780 --> 00:04:18.980 align:middle line:84% program, which has maybe 150 students in it and half of them 00:04:18.980 --> 00:04:20.390 align:middle line:90% are Microsoft employees. 00:04:20.390 --> 00:04:22.280 align:middle line:84% So there are ways-- and many, many companies 00:04:22.280 --> 00:04:27.520 align:middle line:84% have these perks, if you'd like, to do advancement. 00:04:27.520 --> 00:04:29.450 align:middle line:84% You probably can't do a PhD that way 00:04:29.450 --> 00:04:31.820 align:middle line:84% but you, definitely, there are master's degrees 00:04:31.820 --> 00:04:35.600 align:middle line:84% around the country at other schools besides Washington. 00:04:35.600 --> 00:04:38.450 align:middle line:84% In fact, there's online degrees like at Georgia Tech 00:04:38.450 --> 00:04:41.680 align:middle line:84% as well, master's degrees at Georgia Tech, 00:04:41.680 --> 00:04:44.210 align:middle line:84% that you could do completely online. 00:04:44.210 --> 00:04:47.660 align:middle line:84% And your company might pay for it. 00:04:47.660 --> 00:04:50.060 align:middle line:84% You could take a leave of absence from your company. 00:04:50.060 --> 00:04:51.770 align:middle line:84% You really love your company and you 00:04:51.770 --> 00:04:54.290 align:middle line:84% can request that and go to graduate school 00:04:54.290 --> 00:04:56.780 align:middle line:84% for a year or two if you're doing the masters. 00:04:56.780 --> 00:04:58.340 align:middle line:84% It's hard to take a leave of absence 00:04:58.340 --> 00:05:02.010 align:middle line:84% to do a PhD because that takes more, like five, six, 00:05:02.010 --> 00:05:02.540 align:middle line:90% seven years. 00:05:02.540 --> 00:05:06.112 align:middle line:90% 00:05:06.112 --> 00:05:07.570 align:middle line:84% Some companies need people that are 00:05:07.570 --> 00:05:09.160 align:middle line:90% close to the edge of research. 00:05:09.160 --> 00:05:13.900 align:middle line:84% That is, that they're really inventors, if you like. 00:05:13.900 --> 00:05:16.330 align:middle line:84% And Google certainly loves these people. 00:05:16.330 --> 00:05:20.850 align:middle line:84% They've hired, I don't know, 10,000 PhDs probably 00:05:20.850 --> 00:05:22.920 align:middle line:90% in the last 20 years. 00:05:22.920 --> 00:05:25.440 align:middle line:90% 00:05:25.440 --> 00:05:28.050 align:middle line:84% And so you're right on the edge creating the next generation 00:05:28.050 --> 00:05:28.560 align:middle line:90% of products. 00:05:28.560 --> 00:05:30.998 align:middle line:84% You're not just maintaining a project 00:05:30.998 --> 00:05:32.040 align:middle line:90% or maintaining a product. 00:05:32.040 --> 00:05:34.770 align:middle line:90% 00:05:34.770 --> 00:05:37.320 align:middle line:84% Companies like these people that are really 00:05:37.320 --> 00:05:42.870 align:middle line:84% advanced because they keep the company competitive. 00:05:42.870 --> 00:05:45.000 align:middle line:90% So every company that is-- 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:48.810 align:middle line:84% that you know about has a bunch of advanced development people 00:05:48.810 --> 00:05:53.550 align:middle line:84% that are on the edge of research or doing research. 00:05:53.550 --> 00:05:59.420 align:middle line:84% Some companies have research divisions like-- 00:05:59.420 --> 00:06:03.350 align:middle line:84% and so they're more like an academic department. 00:06:03.350 --> 00:06:05.330 align:middle line:84% And I don't know why put IBM Research. 00:06:05.330 --> 00:06:08.330 align:middle line:84% They've really become less and less important. 00:06:08.330 --> 00:06:11.270 align:middle line:84% But Microsoft Research on the right there is-- 00:06:11.270 --> 00:06:15.240 align:middle line:84% it's probably 400 or 500 PhDs working on research. 00:06:15.240 --> 00:06:19.130 align:middle line:84% It's the largest academic department in the world 00:06:19.130 --> 00:06:21.530 align:middle line:84% and they're right across the lake from us. 00:06:21.530 --> 00:06:23.580 align:middle line:84% I've worked with them quite a bit. 00:06:23.580 --> 00:06:26.220 align:middle line:84% And so here, it's not so much products. 00:06:26.220 --> 00:06:32.660 align:middle line:84% You're doing lots of innovation and more a scientific approach. 00:06:32.660 --> 00:06:35.330 align:middle line:84% But some of the ideas, some of those things 00:06:35.330 --> 00:06:37.560 align:middle line:90% will turn into real products. 00:06:37.560 --> 00:06:40.100 align:middle line:84% In fact, something like Google Search 00:06:40.100 --> 00:06:43.280 align:middle line:84% was initially just a research project at Stanford 00:06:43.280 --> 00:06:45.560 align:middle line:84% and it became this huge company called Google. 00:06:45.560 --> 00:06:50.280 align:middle line:90% 00:06:50.280 --> 00:06:54.620 align:middle line:84% At the university, there's teaching and research. 00:06:54.620 --> 00:06:58.560 align:middle line:84% If you're at a research focused university 00:06:58.560 --> 00:07:00.630 align:middle line:84% like University of Washington, then you're 00:07:00.630 --> 00:07:02.160 align:middle line:84% primarily going to be doing research 00:07:02.160 --> 00:07:06.000 align:middle line:84% and teaching will be a little bit more secondary. 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:12.810 align:middle line:84% If you're at a mid-sized university like Western 00:07:12.810 --> 00:07:17.230 align:middle line:84% Washington University, which is kind of a regional university, 00:07:17.230 --> 00:07:22.270 align:middle line:84% teaching is primary and then research is secondary. 00:07:22.270 --> 00:07:24.190 align:middle line:84% And if you're at a small college, 00:07:24.190 --> 00:07:29.250 align:middle line:84% and there's these elite small colleges like Reed College 00:07:29.250 --> 00:07:34.090 align:middle line:84% in Oregon or Williams College in Massachusetts and so on, 00:07:34.090 --> 00:07:37.310 align:middle line:84% there's probably 60 of these that are really elite 00:07:37.310 --> 00:07:39.205 align:middle line:84% and really get fine undergraduates, 00:07:39.205 --> 00:07:42.480 align:middle line:84% and teaching at one of those schools 00:07:42.480 --> 00:07:45.960 align:middle line:84% is really enjoyable because the students are so smart 00:07:45.960 --> 00:07:48.780 align:middle line:90% and you get to do research too. 00:07:48.780 --> 00:07:50.850 align:middle line:84% In fact, it's probably required for promotion 00:07:50.850 --> 00:07:53.310 align:middle line:90% to associate and full professor. 00:07:53.310 --> 00:07:55.920 align:middle line:84% But the level of research and the amount of research 00:07:55.920 --> 00:07:59.850 align:middle line:84% would be a lot less than at a research focused university. 00:07:59.850 --> 00:08:01.920 align:middle line:84% And then of course, community colleges. 00:08:01.920 --> 00:08:04.200 align:middle line:84% And some people love community college, 00:08:04.200 --> 00:08:06.480 align:middle line:84% teaching at community colleges, because there's 00:08:06.480 --> 00:08:08.790 align:middle line:90% no research involved at all. 00:08:08.790 --> 00:08:10.920 align:middle line:84% You just want to keep up with your field. 00:08:10.920 --> 00:08:14.480 align:middle line:90% But the students are varied. 00:08:14.480 --> 00:08:16.980 align:middle line:84% They could be immigrants, they could 00:08:16.980 --> 00:08:21.240 align:middle line:84% be people learning English as a second language, 00:08:21.240 --> 00:08:24.120 align:middle line:84% they're older and more diverse, if you like. 00:08:24.120 --> 00:08:26.860 align:middle line:84% And so some people just love that. 00:08:26.860 --> 00:08:29.430 align:middle line:84% So those are the possible university teaching jobs 00:08:29.430 --> 00:08:32.203 align:middle line:90% that you could get. 00:08:32.203 --> 00:08:33.870 align:middle line:84% I'd just like to go through a few people 00:08:33.870 --> 00:08:39.870 align:middle line:84% that I know who are professors and who have a disability. 00:08:39.870 --> 00:08:44.310 align:middle line:84% The first here is Raja Kushalnagar 00:08:44.310 --> 00:08:47.910 align:middle line:84% who is a professor at Gallaudet University. 00:08:47.910 --> 00:08:49.830 align:middle line:84% He's deaf and Gallaudet, of course, 00:08:49.830 --> 00:08:53.070 align:middle line:90% serves students who are deaf. 00:08:53.070 --> 00:08:57.150 align:middle line:84% There's Annalu Waller who's a professor at the University 00:08:57.150 --> 00:09:00.660 align:middle line:84% of Dundee in Scotland and she has cerebral palsy 00:09:00.660 --> 00:09:03.690 align:middle line:84% and also it affects her speech as well. 00:09:03.690 --> 00:09:06.120 align:middle line:84% She's just a wonderful faculty member there. 00:09:06.120 --> 00:09:07.980 align:middle line:84% And Dundee is really famous in Europe 00:09:07.980 --> 00:09:11.230 align:middle line:90% for their work in accessibility. 00:09:11.230 --> 00:09:15.078 align:middle line:84% There's Nick Giudice at the University of Maine. 00:09:15.078 --> 00:09:16.620 align:middle line:84% In fact, I just got an email from him 00:09:16.620 --> 00:09:19.500 align:middle line:84% yesterday asking me a question about something. 00:09:19.500 --> 00:09:23.640 align:middle line:84% He's totally blind and he is a professor-- 00:09:23.640 --> 00:09:25.290 align:middle line:90% full professor now-- 00:09:25.290 --> 00:09:27.545 align:middle line:84% in the School of Computer and Information Science. 00:09:27.545 --> 00:09:28.920 align:middle line:84% I actually wrote a letter for him 00:09:28.920 --> 00:09:32.160 align:middle line:84% for the full professor promotion so I'm 00:09:32.160 --> 00:09:36.270 align:middle line:84% happy that he-- he's a very productive guy. 00:09:36.270 --> 00:09:39.330 align:middle line:84% And then Chieko Asakawa who's an IBM Fellow 00:09:39.330 --> 00:09:42.900 align:middle line:84% and works at IBM Tokyo research and she's famous worldwide 00:09:42.900 --> 00:09:51.450 align:middle line:84% for her work in access to things like malls and open spaces 00:09:51.450 --> 00:09:53.190 align:middle line:90% for people who are blind. 00:09:53.190 --> 00:09:54.840 align:middle line:90% And she's blind herself. 00:09:54.840 --> 00:09:58.290 align:middle line:84% So she's an amazing woman whose won lots of awards, 00:09:58.290 --> 00:10:01.710 align:middle line:84% both in Japan and in the United States. 00:10:01.710 --> 00:10:04.260 align:middle line:84% So there are some examples of some people 00:10:04.260 --> 00:10:08.730 align:middle line:84% with disabilities that are way up there in the research world. 00:10:08.730 --> 00:10:10.218 align:middle line:90% Oh, one more, Annie Anton. 00:10:10.218 --> 00:10:11.010 align:middle line:90% I forgot about her. 00:10:11.010 --> 00:10:12.177 align:middle line:90% She has a hidden disability. 00:10:12.177 --> 00:10:16.530 align:middle line:84% She has ADHD, and she's open about that, 00:10:16.530 --> 00:10:18.720 align:middle line:84% and she's a professor at the School of Interactive 00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:19.590 align:middle line:90% Computing. 00:10:19.590 --> 00:10:25.140 align:middle line:84% In fact, she was the chair of that school until recently. 00:10:25.140 --> 00:10:28.890 align:middle line:90% She's an amazing woman. 00:10:28.890 --> 00:10:31.140 align:middle line:84% Of course, I don't have to show you this slide. 00:10:31.140 --> 00:10:35.880 align:middle line:84% It's a pie chart showing the different kinds of occupations 00:10:35.880 --> 00:10:37.290 align:middle line:90% you can get in STEM fields. 00:10:37.290 --> 00:10:42.130 align:middle line:84% STEM is Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics. 00:10:42.130 --> 00:10:47.260 align:middle line:84% And 60% of jobs coming up between 2016 and 2026 00:10:47.260 --> 00:10:51.340 align:middle line:84% are going to be in computing fields, computing occupations. 00:10:51.340 --> 00:10:55.030 align:middle line:84% Only 22% engineers and then the percentages 00:10:55.030 --> 00:10:58.600 align:middle line:84% get below 6% for life scientists, 00:10:58.600 --> 00:11:00.370 align:middle line:84% physical scientists, social science, 00:11:00.370 --> 00:11:02.380 align:middle line:90% and mathematical sciences. 00:11:02.380 --> 00:11:03.680 align:middle line:90% So you're into right field. 00:11:03.680 --> 00:11:07.180 align:middle line:84% There's going to be plenty of jobs out there for a long time. 00:11:07.180 --> 00:11:09.040 align:middle line:84% I think the number of open positions 00:11:09.040 --> 00:11:13.720 align:middle line:84% in the state of Washington is in the tens of thousands. 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:19.930 align:middle line:84% In fact, Amazon has about 30,000 positions open. 00:11:19.930 --> 00:11:21.470 align:middle line:84% There are plenty of work out there. 00:11:21.470 --> 00:11:24.940 align:middle line:90% 00:11:24.940 --> 00:11:28.895 align:middle line:84% One thought is, what are your career goals? 00:11:28.895 --> 00:11:30.520 align:middle line:84% Why would you want to go to grad school 00:11:30.520 --> 00:11:33.730 align:middle line:84% and so there'll be a little bit about that. 00:11:33.730 --> 00:11:37.650 align:middle line:84% But there's things beyond just learning stuff. 00:11:37.650 --> 00:11:39.580 align:middle line:84% Do you want to be a technical whiz? 00:11:39.580 --> 00:11:41.860 align:middle line:84% Do you want to just be somebody-- 00:11:41.860 --> 00:11:45.880 align:middle line:84% and there are technical tracks at all these companies 00:11:45.880 --> 00:11:48.820 align:middle line:84% that are parallel to management tracks 00:11:48.820 --> 00:11:53.900 align:middle line:84% where top engineers at Microsoft make huge salaries. 00:11:53.900 --> 00:11:56.290 align:middle line:84% Of course, your incoming salary is not going to be-- 00:11:56.290 --> 00:11:59.410 align:middle line:84% I mean, it'll be substantial, probably $100,000, 00:11:59.410 --> 00:12:02.500 align:middle line:84% between $80,000 and $100,000, but as you move up 00:12:02.500 --> 00:12:04.720 align:middle line:90% you're making a lot more money. 00:12:04.720 --> 00:12:08.230 align:middle line:84% And then you could get into leadership. 00:12:08.230 --> 00:12:13.070 align:middle line:84% So that might be more on the management side. 00:12:13.070 --> 00:12:16.720 align:middle line:84% Many technical people move to management. 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:19.930 align:middle line:84% Even here at the University, we have deans and chairs 00:12:19.930 --> 00:12:22.300 align:middle line:84% and directors and stuff like that so they're 00:12:22.300 --> 00:12:27.220 align:middle line:84% doing a lot of management and a lot less teaching and research. 00:12:27.220 --> 00:12:29.817 align:middle line:84% As you progress through your career, your goals will change. 00:12:29.817 --> 00:12:31.150 align:middle line:90% You might just be so technical-- 00:12:31.150 --> 00:12:32.567 align:middle line:84% I want to do all this programming, 00:12:32.567 --> 00:12:33.820 align:middle line:90% I want to develop stuff-- 00:12:33.820 --> 00:12:36.130 align:middle line:84% and then later on realized that, oh, I kind of like 00:12:36.130 --> 00:12:38.680 align:middle line:84% this management stuff, maybe I'll 00:12:38.680 --> 00:12:41.530 align:middle line:90% do something in that space. 00:12:41.530 --> 00:12:43.930 align:middle line:84% I've seen that happen to a lot of people. 00:12:43.930 --> 00:12:46.930 align:middle line:84% Some of them go back to being technical after they 00:12:46.930 --> 00:12:49.240 align:middle line:84% find out, well, maybe this management isn't so much fun 00:12:49.240 --> 00:12:49.810 align:middle line:90% after all. 00:12:49.810 --> 00:12:53.140 align:middle line:90% 00:12:53.140 --> 00:12:57.040 align:middle line:84% When you go to grad school, don't just go to school. 00:12:57.040 --> 00:12:59.830 align:middle line:84% Do some internships in companies so you find out 00:12:59.830 --> 00:13:02.680 align:middle line:90% what work like that is. 00:13:02.680 --> 00:13:05.470 align:middle line:84% Microsoft, Google, all the big companies 00:13:05.470 --> 00:13:08.770 align:middle line:84% have internship programs for people that are PhD students 00:13:08.770 --> 00:13:10.660 align:middle line:90% or are master's students. 00:13:10.660 --> 00:13:11.980 align:middle line:90% Keep that in mind. 00:13:11.980 --> 00:13:13.930 align:middle line:84% And that would be primarily in the summer. 00:13:13.930 --> 00:13:17.150 align:middle line:90% 00:13:17.150 --> 00:13:18.980 align:middle line:90% Here are the types of education. 00:13:18.980 --> 00:13:21.280 align:middle line:90% Hopefully, I got some-- 00:13:21.280 --> 00:13:24.670 align:middle line:84% our panelists got some thoughts over this as well. 00:13:24.670 --> 00:13:26.870 align:middle line:84% Types of graduate-- there's a professional master's, 00:13:26.870 --> 00:13:31.588 align:middle line:84% full time master's, fifth-year master's, and a PhD. 00:13:31.588 --> 00:13:33.130 align:middle line:84% So the fifth year master's, I'll just 00:13:33.130 --> 00:13:36.790 align:middle line:84% briefly say, that's combined bachelor MS degree. 00:13:36.790 --> 00:13:40.870 align:middle line:84% MIT has such a thing, University Washington has such a thing. 00:13:40.870 --> 00:13:44.260 align:middle line:84% So there are ways to go for five years 00:13:44.260 --> 00:13:46.330 align:middle line:90% and get a master's degree. 00:13:46.330 --> 00:13:49.810 align:middle line:84% Maybe six years or 5 and 1/2 years. 00:13:49.810 --> 00:13:52.720 align:middle line:84% So you get the bachelor's along the way to the master's degree. 00:13:52.720 --> 00:13:54.730 align:middle line:84% And that's primarily taking courses. 00:13:54.730 --> 00:13:58.120 align:middle line:90% It's not so much doing research. 00:13:58.120 --> 00:14:00.830 align:middle line:90% 00:14:00.830 --> 00:14:03.880 align:middle line:84% So for the professional masters, this is for part time. 00:14:03.880 --> 00:14:07.240 align:middle line:84% You're already working and so you do your part time work. 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:12.155 align:middle line:84% It could be online or it could be in the evening. 00:14:12.155 --> 00:14:13.530 align:middle line:84% I don't have the online on there. 00:14:13.530 --> 00:14:20.200 align:middle line:84% I should have added that because of the Georgia Tech program. 00:14:20.200 --> 00:14:23.870 align:middle line:84% And it's usually courses only, no thesis. 00:14:23.870 --> 00:14:26.260 align:middle line:84% It could be paid for by the company. 00:14:26.260 --> 00:14:34.450 align:middle line:84% I think Microsoft has $7,500 per year per employee on request. 00:14:34.450 --> 00:14:37.360 align:middle line:90% Other companies don't do that. 00:14:37.360 --> 00:14:39.610 align:middle line:84% Definitely ask that question when you go to a company, 00:14:39.610 --> 00:14:41.650 align:middle line:90% if they support education. 00:14:41.650 --> 00:14:44.193 align:middle line:90% 00:14:44.193 --> 00:14:46.110 align:middle line:84% It could take two to four years because you're 00:14:46.110 --> 00:14:48.210 align:middle line:90% doing it part time. 00:14:48.210 --> 00:14:51.270 align:middle line:84% Some examples are University of Washington, Stanford, UCLA. 00:14:51.270 --> 00:14:54.552 align:middle line:84% And I should add Georgia Tech with their, 00:14:54.552 --> 00:14:56.760 align:middle line:84% I know if we call it a professional master's program, 00:14:56.760 --> 00:14:58.090 align:middle line:90% their online program. 00:14:58.090 --> 00:15:02.100 align:middle line:90% It could be thought of that way. 00:15:02.100 --> 00:15:04.680 align:middle line:84% Full time master's, that's one or two years, 00:15:04.680 --> 00:15:07.290 align:middle line:90% depends on the program. 00:15:07.290 --> 00:15:09.540 align:middle line:84% You're probably not working at the same time 00:15:09.540 --> 00:15:14.130 align:middle line:84% because this will be intensive and it could require a thesis 00:15:14.130 --> 00:15:17.910 align:middle line:84% but at least a large project so you get some project 00:15:17.910 --> 00:15:20.760 align:middle line:90% experience. 00:15:20.760 --> 00:15:23.370 align:middle line:84% It's not necessary to apply to a PhD program 00:15:23.370 --> 00:15:24.720 align:middle line:90% to get a master's first. 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:27.300 align:middle line:84% You could go straight to the PhD program. 00:15:27.300 --> 00:15:30.120 align:middle line:84% In fact, at the University in Washington, 00:15:30.120 --> 00:15:33.330 align:middle line:84% you can apply to our PhD program and we 00:15:33.330 --> 00:15:35.010 align:middle line:84% don't have a master's program except 00:15:35.010 --> 00:15:36.940 align:middle line:84% for our professional master's program. 00:15:36.940 --> 00:15:40.110 align:middle line:84% But as you proceed through getting your PhD, 00:15:40.110 --> 00:15:41.850 align:middle line:84% you'd get the master's along the way. 00:15:41.850 --> 00:15:45.240 align:middle line:90% 00:15:45.240 --> 00:15:48.320 align:middle line:84% The fifth-year master's I already talked about. 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:49.820 align:middle line:84% And there are examples, I mentioned, 00:15:49.820 --> 00:15:53.140 align:middle line:84% at MIT and University of Washington. 00:15:53.140 --> 00:15:54.790 align:middle line:90% It's typically full time. 00:15:54.790 --> 00:15:57.220 align:middle line:90% It's not part time. 00:15:57.220 --> 00:16:01.500 align:middle line:84% And students can take graduate courses 00:16:01.500 --> 00:16:03.870 align:middle line:84% earlier than they might otherwise, 00:16:03.870 --> 00:16:06.330 align:middle line:84% like in their fourth year, and a course 00:16:06.330 --> 00:16:08.970 align:middle line:84% will count for either the bachelor's or the master's 00:16:08.970 --> 00:16:11.740 align:middle line:84% depending on-- won't count for both. 00:16:11.740 --> 00:16:13.405 align:middle line:90% And so you have to add up-- 00:16:13.405 --> 00:16:15.780 align:middle line:84% the credits would be more than the number of credits just 00:16:15.780 --> 00:16:16.570 align:middle line:90% for a bachelor's. 00:16:16.570 --> 00:16:19.890 align:middle line:84% It would be bachelor's plus master's. 00:16:19.890 --> 00:16:23.800 align:middle line:84% In the quarter system, it's 180 credits plus another 40 00:16:23.800 --> 00:16:24.300 align:middle line:90% I think. 00:16:24.300 --> 00:16:27.100 align:middle line:90% 00:16:27.100 --> 00:16:29.350 align:middle line:90% You could do research as well. 00:16:29.350 --> 00:16:34.510 align:middle line:84% I supervised some research for fifth-year master's students. 00:16:34.510 --> 00:16:39.320 align:middle line:84% And that could be for credit-- academic credit-- as well. 00:16:39.320 --> 00:16:42.010 align:middle line:84% So PhD, hmmm, that's the big one, 00:16:42.010 --> 00:16:45.610 align:middle line:84% and that's where our three panelists are in PhD programs. 00:16:45.610 --> 00:16:49.970 align:middle line:84% Usually takes five to eight years full time. 00:16:49.970 --> 00:16:53.140 align:middle line:84% I don't know of anybody that's got a PhD working part 00:16:53.140 --> 00:16:58.280 align:middle line:84% time in my 50 years at the University of Washington. 00:16:58.280 --> 00:17:01.060 align:middle line:84% It may take less time if you already have a master's degree 00:17:01.060 --> 00:17:05.178 align:middle line:84% and have some research under your belt. The courses, 00:17:05.178 --> 00:17:06.970 align:middle line:84% you take courses the first couple of years, 00:17:06.970 --> 00:17:08.470 align:middle line:84% but then no more courses and you're 00:17:08.470 --> 00:17:12.310 align:middle line:84% just doing seminars and your own research. 00:17:12.310 --> 00:17:14.410 align:middle line:84% Part of a research team, perhaps, 00:17:14.410 --> 00:17:15.819 align:middle line:90% supervised by a faculty member. 00:17:15.819 --> 00:17:20.335 align:middle line:90% 00:17:20.335 --> 00:17:21.710 align:middle line:84% As I mentioned earlier, you would 00:17:21.710 --> 00:17:23.349 align:middle line:84% get your master's degree along the way 00:17:23.349 --> 00:17:26.500 align:middle line:90% by passing some milestones. 00:17:26.500 --> 00:17:30.310 align:middle line:84% Students, typically, are fully funded, are PhD students. 00:17:30.310 --> 00:17:33.430 align:middle line:84% Either with fellowships, with teaching assistantships, 00:17:33.430 --> 00:17:35.360 align:middle line:90% or research internships. 00:17:35.360 --> 00:17:38.460 align:middle line:90% So we have about 300-- 00:17:38.460 --> 00:17:40.737 align:middle line:84% I think we have 300 PhD students now 00:17:40.737 --> 00:17:42.070 align:middle line:90% at the University of Washington. 00:17:42.070 --> 00:17:43.450 align:middle line:90% Somewhere around there. 00:17:43.450 --> 00:17:46.120 align:middle line:90% Maybe 250. 00:17:46.120 --> 00:17:50.500 align:middle line:84% Almost all of them are fully funded with one of these. 00:17:50.500 --> 00:17:53.380 align:middle line:84% These funded positions are typically 50%. 00:17:53.380 --> 00:17:58.120 align:middle line:84% That is, they pay at a 50% rate not 100%. 00:17:58.120 --> 00:17:59.990 align:middle line:90% So it's not like-- 00:17:59.990 --> 00:18:02.210 align:middle line:84% and the work you do, for example, fellowship, 00:18:02.210 --> 00:18:04.710 align:middle line:84% you're not paid to do anything, you just get the fellowship. 00:18:04.710 --> 00:18:07.002 align:middle line:84% For teaching assistants, you wouldn't work more than 20 00:18:07.002 --> 00:18:08.610 align:middle line:90% hours a week for that. 00:18:08.610 --> 00:18:12.072 align:middle line:84% Or for a research assistantship, that would be the same. 00:18:12.072 --> 00:18:13.530 align:middle line:84% At least the research assistantship 00:18:13.530 --> 00:18:15.960 align:middle line:84% would add to your research and so might 00:18:15.960 --> 00:18:17.575 align:middle line:90% be part of your dissertation. 00:18:17.575 --> 00:18:20.100 align:middle line:90% 00:18:20.100 --> 00:18:22.730 align:middle line:84% Here are some milestones, PhD milestones. 00:18:22.730 --> 00:18:24.150 align:middle line:90% Well, you've got to get in. 00:18:24.150 --> 00:18:26.280 align:middle line:84% You have to apply and be accepted. 00:18:26.280 --> 00:18:28.880 align:middle line:90% 00:18:28.880 --> 00:18:30.560 align:middle line:84% After two years, typically, there's 00:18:30.560 --> 00:18:32.680 align:middle line:84% some kind of qualifier, qualifying. 00:18:32.680 --> 00:18:35.290 align:middle line:84% It could be an exam, a written exam, an oral exam, 00:18:35.290 --> 00:18:37.638 align:middle line:90% it could be just a project. 00:18:37.638 --> 00:18:39.680 align:middle line:84% You have to complete a certain number of courses. 00:18:39.680 --> 00:18:42.145 align:middle line:90% At University of Washington-- 00:18:42.145 --> 00:18:43.520 align:middle line:84% they change the rules every time, 00:18:43.520 --> 00:18:45.478 align:middle line:84% I don't even know what they are now-- but maybe 00:18:45.478 --> 00:18:51.680 align:middle line:84% about six courses plus a project, a research project. 00:18:51.680 --> 00:18:53.930 align:middle line:84% The research project doesn't have to be a publication. 00:18:53.930 --> 00:18:57.920 align:middle line:84% It could be but it has to be substantial so that people 00:18:57.920 --> 00:18:59.330 align:middle line:90% feel that you can do research. 00:18:59.330 --> 00:19:02.900 align:middle line:84% So you get past this qualifier and the faculty 00:19:02.900 --> 00:19:06.530 align:middle line:84% as a whole thinks that that person can do the research 00:19:06.530 --> 00:19:09.260 align:middle line:90% to finish a PhD. 00:19:09.260 --> 00:19:11.930 align:middle line:84% If you don't get past the qualifier, 00:19:11.930 --> 00:19:14.840 align:middle line:90% then you'll drop out. 00:19:14.840 --> 00:19:17.630 align:middle line:84% You can still get a master's degree perhaps 00:19:17.630 --> 00:19:24.690 align:middle line:84% but it's kind of this milestone that where the faculty agrees, 00:19:24.690 --> 00:19:26.760 align:middle line:90% yep, you can do it. 00:19:26.760 --> 00:19:29.300 align:middle line:84% You have to settle sometime on a dissertation advisor. 00:19:29.300 --> 00:19:32.040 align:middle line:84% That could be in the first year, second year, third year. 00:19:32.040 --> 00:19:34.410 align:middle line:84% People often switch dissertation advisors, 00:19:34.410 --> 00:19:37.500 align:middle line:84% sometimes they have co advisors, more than one, 00:19:37.500 --> 00:19:40.500 align:middle line:84% and it's a very individual decision. 00:19:40.500 --> 00:19:43.500 align:middle line:84% That might be a good question for our panelists to ask them 00:19:43.500 --> 00:19:46.470 align:middle line:90% how they're supervised. 00:19:46.470 --> 00:19:48.300 align:middle line:84% You have to do a dissertation proposal, 00:19:48.300 --> 00:19:50.970 align:middle line:84% you have to submit a dissertation, 00:19:50.970 --> 00:19:54.660 align:middle line:84% and give some kind of dissertation defense. 00:19:54.660 --> 00:19:57.840 align:middle line:84% Typically, the defense is really not a defense, it's more like, 00:19:57.840 --> 00:20:01.590 align:middle line:90% this is what I did and why. 00:20:01.590 --> 00:20:05.700 align:middle line:84% And then people bless you and you are on your way. 00:20:05.700 --> 00:20:09.270 align:middle line:84% In that last year doing your dissertation, 00:20:09.270 --> 00:20:11.100 align:middle line:84% that's when you look for jobs and that's 00:20:11.100 --> 00:20:14.435 align:middle line:84% when you have to decide what you want to do. 00:20:14.435 --> 00:20:15.810 align:middle line:84% I'm working with several students 00:20:15.810 --> 00:20:18.570 align:middle line:84% now, not necessarily all at the University of Washington, who 00:20:18.570 --> 00:20:20.403 align:middle line:84% are just finishing their degrees and they're 00:20:20.403 --> 00:20:25.858 align:middle line:84% looking for jobs, both of them academic jobs. 00:20:25.858 --> 00:20:27.150 align:middle line:90% So what about research careers? 00:20:27.150 --> 00:20:30.230 align:middle line:90% 00:20:30.230 --> 00:20:32.070 align:middle line:84% You've got to be into innovation, 00:20:32.070 --> 00:20:34.260 align:middle line:84% creating new technology, creating new model 00:20:34.260 --> 00:20:35.650 align:middle line:90% for how things work. 00:20:35.650 --> 00:20:37.950 align:middle line:84% So that would be less technology. 00:20:37.950 --> 00:20:40.650 align:middle line:84% It could be very scientific, understanding what's 00:20:40.650 --> 00:20:43.230 align:middle line:84% been done before, evaluating some new technology, 00:20:43.230 --> 00:20:44.430 align:middle line:90% proving a theorem. 00:20:44.430 --> 00:20:46.170 align:middle line:84% That's what I did for my dissertation was 00:20:46.170 --> 00:20:47.430 align:middle line:90% prove a number of theorems. 00:20:47.430 --> 00:20:50.470 align:middle line:90% 00:20:50.470 --> 00:20:53.040 align:middle line:84% That's when I was doing mathematics. 00:20:53.040 --> 00:20:54.810 align:middle line:84% I think Anna might appreciate-- you'll 00:20:54.810 --> 00:20:58.080 align:middle line:84% have to read my dissertation, Anna, someday. 00:20:58.080 --> 00:21:00.310 align:middle line:90% No, you don't. 00:21:00.310 --> 00:21:01.180 align:middle line:90% Areas of research. 00:21:01.180 --> 00:21:04.150 align:middle line:84% There's so many in computer science. 00:21:04.150 --> 00:21:05.470 align:middle line:90% Here's just a list of some. 00:21:05.470 --> 00:21:09.670 align:middle line:84% Theory, architecture, graphics, databases, 00:21:09.670 --> 00:21:14.270 align:middle line:84% programming languages, computer vision, graphics, systems 00:21:14.270 --> 00:21:16.060 align:middle line:90% and networks-- 00:21:16.060 --> 00:21:18.535 align:middle line:84% the University of Washington's famous in that area-- 00:21:18.535 --> 00:21:19.910 align:middle line:84% artificial intelligence, which is 00:21:19.910 --> 00:21:24.740 align:middle line:84% kind of the hot field with machine learning, 00:21:24.740 --> 00:21:26.570 align:middle line:84% human computer interaction, which is more 00:21:26.570 --> 00:21:29.190 align:middle line:90% what I do nowadays, robotics. 00:21:29.190 --> 00:21:32.030 align:middle line:84% And then applications to the sciences or other fields, 00:21:32.030 --> 00:21:33.680 align:middle line:84% like data science or computational 00:21:33.680 --> 00:21:36.740 align:middle line:90% biology and many, many others. 00:21:36.740 --> 00:21:39.470 align:middle line:84% Depending on the institution you go to, 00:21:39.470 --> 00:21:41.300 align:middle line:84% you'll pick an area that you want 00:21:41.300 --> 00:21:44.300 align:middle line:84% to work in and find a faculty member or faculty 00:21:44.300 --> 00:21:45.350 align:middle line:90% members to work with. 00:21:45.350 --> 00:21:48.260 align:middle line:90% 00:21:48.260 --> 00:21:49.970 align:middle line:84% There's different kinds of research. 00:21:49.970 --> 00:21:53.000 align:middle line:84% Building a working system and evaluating it. 00:21:53.000 --> 00:21:55.240 align:middle line:84% We do a lot of that at the University of Washington 00:21:55.240 --> 00:21:57.190 align:middle line:90% with our systems group. 00:21:57.190 --> 00:21:59.030 align:middle line:84% Build a prototype and evaluate it. 00:21:59.030 --> 00:22:02.210 align:middle line:90% That's the more typical. 00:22:02.210 --> 00:22:04.580 align:middle line:84% Study computing technology as it affects people. 00:22:04.580 --> 00:22:08.250 align:middle line:84% That's HCI, Human Computer Interaction. 00:22:08.250 --> 00:22:10.230 align:middle line:84% So there's different kinds of research project. 00:22:10.230 --> 00:22:12.240 align:middle line:84% There's not just like, oh, I have to come up 00:22:12.240 --> 00:22:13.290 align:middle line:90% with this hypothesis. 00:22:13.290 --> 00:22:14.760 align:middle line:84% I have to come up with this proof. 00:22:14.760 --> 00:22:15.635 align:middle line:90% You know what I mean? 00:22:15.635 --> 00:22:18.300 align:middle line:84% It's not always looking like social science research, 00:22:18.300 --> 00:22:20.700 align:middle line:84% although some computer science research does look 00:22:20.700 --> 00:22:24.780 align:middle line:90% like social science research. 00:22:24.780 --> 00:22:26.850 align:middle line:90% Now, how do I get there? 00:22:26.850 --> 00:22:30.230 align:middle line:84% How am I doing for time, Brianna? 00:22:30.230 --> 00:22:32.420 align:middle line:84% BRIANNA BLASER: You've got about seven minute. 00:22:32.420 --> 00:22:33.210 align:middle line:90% RICHARD LADNER: Seven minutes. 00:22:33.210 --> 00:22:33.860 align:middle line:90% OK. 00:22:33.860 --> 00:22:36.260 align:middle line:90% We're getting there. 00:22:36.260 --> 00:22:40.470 align:middle line:84% Well, you're an undergraduate, what do you do? 00:22:40.470 --> 00:22:43.700 align:middle line:84% Well, you should be taking rigorous courses and do well. 00:22:43.700 --> 00:22:47.940 align:middle line:84% That's critical because that's your foundation 00:22:47.940 --> 00:22:48.940 align:middle line:90% that you're building on. 00:22:48.940 --> 00:22:51.520 align:middle line:90% 00:22:51.520 --> 00:22:54.570 align:middle line:84% So do take hard courses and do well in them. 00:22:54.570 --> 00:22:56.580 align:middle line:84% If you can do an undergraduate research project, 00:22:56.580 --> 00:22:58.260 align:middle line:84% that's really important because that's 00:22:58.260 --> 00:23:00.270 align:middle line:84% really noticed on an application that you've 00:23:00.270 --> 00:23:03.180 align:middle line:84% done something, accomplished something, and some professor 00:23:03.180 --> 00:23:07.550 align:middle line:84% will write about your research project and how well you did. 00:23:07.550 --> 00:23:09.680 align:middle line:90% Study for and take the GRE. 00:23:09.680 --> 00:23:11.810 align:middle line:90% Not so much anymore. 00:23:11.810 --> 00:23:14.970 align:middle line:84% University of Washington, I believe, it's optional. 00:23:14.970 --> 00:23:18.770 align:middle line:84% At UC Berkeley it's now been abandoned. 00:23:18.770 --> 00:23:21.640 align:middle line:84% So that one you just have to look at the institution 00:23:21.640 --> 00:23:25.260 align:middle line:84% to see if you really need to take the GRE. 00:23:25.260 --> 00:23:29.340 align:middle line:84% It's really going out of favor very quickly actually. 00:23:29.340 --> 00:23:30.990 align:middle line:84% But it depends on the institution 00:23:30.990 --> 00:23:33.500 align:middle line:90% so keep that in mind. 00:23:33.500 --> 00:23:35.550 align:middle line:84% Get to know faculty members who can write 00:23:35.550 --> 00:23:36.800 align:middle line:90% you letters of recommendation. 00:23:36.800 --> 00:23:39.390 align:middle line:84% Those letters of recommendation are so important. 00:23:39.390 --> 00:23:41.473 align:middle line:84% That's where you have those undergraduate research 00:23:41.473 --> 00:23:46.940 align:middle line:84% projects to help you get more involved 00:23:46.940 --> 00:23:50.930 align:middle line:84% with the research that's done by faculty members. 00:23:50.930 --> 00:23:54.300 align:middle line:84% Letters from graduate students usually don't count. 00:23:54.300 --> 00:23:56.830 align:middle line:84% You want to have faculty members. 00:23:56.830 --> 00:23:58.600 align:middle line:84% And then find an interest to focus on. 00:23:58.600 --> 00:24:00.370 align:middle line:84% It doesn't have to be your final interest. 00:24:00.370 --> 00:24:02.120 align:middle line:84% It's something that you feel like you'd 00:24:02.120 --> 00:24:04.480 align:middle line:84% like to go into because you're going 00:24:04.480 --> 00:24:08.570 align:middle line:84% to write about an interest in your statement-- 00:24:08.570 --> 00:24:10.250 align:middle line:84% statement of purpose, if you'd like, 00:24:10.250 --> 00:24:12.668 align:middle line:90% for your graduate application. 00:24:12.668 --> 00:24:14.960 align:middle line:84% And when you arrive at graduate school you'll find out, 00:24:14.960 --> 00:24:17.990 align:middle line:84% maybe I don't want to do that, I switched, and change areas. 00:24:17.990 --> 00:24:20.465 align:middle line:84% And that's fairly common as well. 00:24:20.465 --> 00:24:22.340 align:middle line:84% Although, it might take an extra year of work 00:24:22.340 --> 00:24:24.110 align:middle line:84% to finish your degree, it's worth 00:24:24.110 --> 00:24:26.780 align:middle line:84% it if you find the thing what your real passion is. 00:24:26.780 --> 00:24:29.420 align:middle line:90% 00:24:29.420 --> 00:24:30.380 align:middle line:90% Undergraduate research. 00:24:30.380 --> 00:24:31.910 align:middle line:90% Hopefully you guys-- 00:24:31.910 --> 00:24:35.820 align:middle line:84% I know some of you already have done it in our little group 00:24:35.820 --> 00:24:36.320 align:middle line:90% here. 00:24:36.320 --> 00:24:39.090 align:middle line:90% 00:24:39.090 --> 00:24:41.540 align:middle line:84% So during the academic year, you can work on research. 00:24:41.540 --> 00:24:43.940 align:middle line:84% I've worked with maybe 100 undergraduates 00:24:43.940 --> 00:24:47.480 align:middle line:84% in my career on different research projects. 00:24:47.480 --> 00:24:50.060 align:middle line:84% Quite often you could do it for academic credit. 00:24:50.060 --> 00:24:52.790 align:middle line:84% We have a, I'm not call it course, 00:24:52.790 --> 00:24:55.280 align:middle line:84% but we have a number where you can sign up and get 00:24:55.280 --> 00:24:57.110 align:middle line:90% academic credit for that-- 00:24:57.110 --> 00:24:59.110 align:middle line:90% for that work. 00:24:59.110 --> 00:25:01.110 align:middle line:84% And then there's the summer research internships 00:25:01.110 --> 00:25:07.160 align:middle line:90% and industry internships. 00:25:07.160 --> 00:25:08.720 align:middle line:84% Here are some research internships 00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:10.580 align:middle line:90% that I know about that-- 00:25:10.580 --> 00:25:14.240 align:middle line:84% I know Aaron Howard just had did a CRA DREU 00:25:14.240 --> 00:25:19.160 align:middle line:84% program this past summer funded by AccessComputing. 00:25:19.160 --> 00:25:22.513 align:middle line:84% There's also these NSF REU sites. 00:25:22.513 --> 00:25:24.680 align:middle line:84% And so you can go through those and see if you might 00:25:24.680 --> 00:25:26.000 align:middle line:90% be interested in one of those. 00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:30.530 align:middle line:84% That's where there's a program at a university that 00:25:30.530 --> 00:25:32.990 align:middle line:84% brings in maybe 10 students during the summer 00:25:32.990 --> 00:25:36.567 align:middle line:84% and they work as a team and do research in a particular area. 00:25:36.567 --> 00:25:38.150 align:middle line:84% So look for those, and there's usually 00:25:38.150 --> 00:25:40.430 align:middle line:84% a bunch on computer science and you 00:25:40.430 --> 00:25:43.010 align:middle line:84% can search through the NSF REU website 00:25:43.010 --> 00:25:46.310 align:middle line:84% to see if there's anything that interest you. 00:25:46.310 --> 00:25:48.890 align:middle line:84% There's also research at nationals labs. 00:25:48.890 --> 00:25:50.330 align:middle line:90% They have internships as well. 00:25:50.330 --> 00:25:55.010 align:middle line:84% Like Lawrence Livermore labs or Argonne National Lab and Sandia 00:25:55.010 --> 00:25:57.500 align:middle line:90% and so on. 00:25:57.500 --> 00:26:01.040 align:middle line:84% Probably you have to be a citizen 00:26:01.040 --> 00:26:07.980 align:middle line:84% because you have to go through some checking you out 00:26:07.980 --> 00:26:13.310 align:middle line:84% by the FBI to sometimes work at these places. 00:26:13.310 --> 00:26:16.710 align:middle line:84% We're going to-- these slides will be available in a PDF form 00:26:16.710 --> 00:26:23.040 align:middle line:84% so you can click on these things later when you look at it. 00:26:23.040 --> 00:26:26.310 align:middle line:84% For fellowships, the major one is this NSF graduate 00:26:26.310 --> 00:26:27.570 align:middle line:90% fellowship. 00:26:27.570 --> 00:26:32.400 align:middle line:84% Again, you have to be either a citizen or permanent resident 00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:35.010 align:middle line:90% to apply for that. 00:26:35.010 --> 00:26:37.170 align:middle line:84% One that's focused-- and that's a big one. 00:26:37.170 --> 00:26:39.690 align:middle line:84% That's four years or is it three years now? 00:26:39.690 --> 00:26:40.480 align:middle line:90% I can't remember. 00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:41.070 align:middle line:90% Three? 00:26:41.070 --> 00:26:41.570 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 00:26:41.570 --> 00:26:42.653 align:middle line:90% Did you say three or four? 00:26:42.653 --> 00:26:43.170 align:middle line:90% Three. 00:26:43.170 --> 00:26:45.030 align:middle line:90% Three fingers up. 00:26:45.030 --> 00:26:45.530 align:middle line:90% OK. 00:26:45.530 --> 00:26:46.750 align:middle line:90% Thank you, Anna. 00:26:46.750 --> 00:26:48.710 align:middle line:84% Is that three fingers or four fingers? 00:26:48.710 --> 00:26:50.118 align:middle line:90% Three fingers. 00:26:50.118 --> 00:26:50.785 align:middle line:90% You're kind of-- 00:26:50.785 --> 00:26:52.243 align:middle line:84% ANNA KIRKPATRICK: It's three years. 00:26:52.243 --> 00:26:54.355 align:middle line:84% Three years of funding and a five year period. 00:26:54.355 --> 00:26:55.230 align:middle line:90% RICHARD LADNER: Yeah. 00:26:55.230 --> 00:26:57.420 align:middle line:84% Three years of funding in a five year period. 00:26:57.420 --> 00:26:59.190 align:middle line:84% And then there's limited applications. 00:26:59.190 --> 00:27:01.112 align:middle line:84% You can apply twice, I believe, now. 00:27:01.112 --> 00:27:02.070 align:middle line:90% ANNA KIRKPATRICK: Yeah. 00:27:02.070 --> 00:27:02.760 align:middle line:90% That's the deal. 00:27:02.760 --> 00:27:05.310 align:middle line:84% You can only apply, at most, twice. 00:27:05.310 --> 00:27:11.220 align:middle line:84% And generally, people apply their senior year of undergrad 00:27:11.220 --> 00:27:13.470 align:middle line:84% and then they might try to reapply in their first year 00:27:13.470 --> 00:27:14.070 align:middle line:90% of grad school. 00:27:14.070 --> 00:27:16.070 align:middle line:84% But if you don't have a research advisor or a project, 00:27:16.070 --> 00:27:18.278 align:middle line:84% I think you can apply your second year as well if you 00:27:18.278 --> 00:27:19.980 align:middle line:90% have only applied once before. 00:27:19.980 --> 00:27:20.480 align:middle line:90% I think. 00:27:20.480 --> 00:27:24.018 align:middle line:90% 00:27:24.018 --> 00:27:25.560 align:middle line:84% RICHARD LADNER: I know NSF has really 00:27:25.560 --> 00:27:29.130 align:middle line:84% increased the number of NSF graduate research fellowships 00:27:29.130 --> 00:27:31.290 align:middle line:84% in the last 10 years and so there 00:27:31.290 --> 00:27:35.220 align:middle line:84% is more opportunity for those, although it's very competitive. 00:27:35.220 --> 00:27:37.990 align:middle line:84% Something a lot smaller, if you have a disability 00:27:37.990 --> 00:27:41.490 align:middle line:84% you can apply for this Google Lime scholarship. 00:27:41.490 --> 00:27:45.800 align:middle line:84% I think some of you have gotten those on this call. 00:27:45.800 --> 00:27:46.300 align:middle line:90% And that's-- 00:27:46.300 --> 00:27:48.300 align:middle line:84% BRIANNA BLASER: The application for that is open 00:27:48.300 --> 00:27:49.560 align:middle line:90% right now, too, by the way. 00:27:49.560 --> 00:27:50.990 align:middle line:90% The Google Lime scholarship. 00:27:50.990 --> 00:27:51.865 align:middle line:90% RICHARD LADNER: Yeah. 00:27:51.865 --> 00:27:54.120 align:middle line:84% And you can be an undergraduate or a graduate student. 00:27:54.120 --> 00:27:56.400 align:middle line:84% And I think it's $10,000 for nothing 00:27:56.400 --> 00:27:59.863 align:middle line:84% and you become part of a cohort and Google 00:27:59.863 --> 00:28:01.530 align:middle line:84% shepherds you around brown and gives you 00:28:01.530 --> 00:28:03.510 align:middle line:90% some good pats on the back. 00:28:03.510 --> 00:28:10.940 align:middle line:90% So $10,000 is not shabby. 00:28:10.940 --> 00:28:11.833 align:middle line:90% Types of programs. 00:28:11.833 --> 00:28:13.250 align:middle line:84% I already mentioned these earlier. 00:28:13.250 --> 00:28:16.520 align:middle line:84% Could be computer science, computer engineering, 00:28:16.520 --> 00:28:19.610 align:middle line:84% informatics, information schools. 00:28:19.610 --> 00:28:22.730 align:middle line:84% Master's programs in data science, security, and HCI. 00:28:22.730 --> 00:28:28.470 align:middle line:84% Probably for all these areas of data science, 00:28:28.470 --> 00:28:30.700 align:middle line:84% these applied areas-- data science, security, 00:28:30.700 --> 00:28:32.410 align:middle line:90% probably HCI-- 00:28:32.410 --> 00:28:34.070 align:middle line:84% you can get PhDs in those as well. 00:28:34.070 --> 00:28:36.870 align:middle line:90% 00:28:36.870 --> 00:28:39.300 align:middle line:90% Deadlines are soon. 00:28:39.300 --> 00:28:44.780 align:middle line:84% December and January for the following fall. 00:28:44.780 --> 00:28:48.770 align:middle line:84% You do need to get your resume in shape, 00:28:48.770 --> 00:28:52.880 align:middle line:84% your transcripts are going to be needed. 00:28:52.880 --> 00:29:00.357 align:middle line:84% Usually those are-- your school well send them-- 00:29:00.357 --> 00:29:01.940 align:middle line:84% send the transcripts to the university 00:29:01.940 --> 00:29:04.520 align:middle line:90% that you're applying to. 00:29:04.520 --> 00:29:05.770 align:middle line:90% GRE scores. 00:29:05.770 --> 00:29:08.020 align:middle line:84% I'll just put a question mark on that. 00:29:08.020 --> 00:29:12.020 align:middle line:84% You have to check and see if the institution requires them. 00:29:12.020 --> 00:29:14.620 align:middle line:84% You get a statement of purpose and three letters 00:29:14.620 --> 00:29:17.003 align:middle line:90% of recommendation. 00:29:17.003 --> 00:29:18.420 align:middle line:84% The letters of the recommendations 00:29:18.420 --> 00:29:19.462 align:middle line:90% should be pretty glowing. 00:29:19.462 --> 00:29:24.530 align:middle line:90% 00:29:24.530 --> 00:29:28.020 align:middle line:90% That's it for an application. 00:29:28.020 --> 00:29:31.110 align:middle line:84% It seems not that much, but getting that together 00:29:31.110 --> 00:29:33.030 align:middle line:90% and making your best story-- 00:29:33.030 --> 00:29:35.740 align:middle line:84% when you do your statement of purpose, 00:29:35.740 --> 00:29:40.020 align:middle line:84% you might want to customize it for each university. 00:29:40.020 --> 00:29:42.030 align:middle line:84% Not just one generic statement for everybody 00:29:42.030 --> 00:29:43.590 align:middle line:84% because maybe there's some people 00:29:43.590 --> 00:29:45.590 align:middle line:84% you'd like to work with at the particular place. 00:29:45.590 --> 00:29:49.110 align:middle line:84% You should mention that in your statement of purpose. 00:29:49.110 --> 00:29:54.630 align:middle line:84% So customized statements of purpose is a good idea. 00:29:54.630 --> 00:29:55.930 align:middle line:90% There's some great programs. 00:29:55.930 --> 00:30:00.240 align:middle line:84% These are the top programs, the top 12. 00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:02.520 align:middle line:84% Stanford, Carnegie Mellon, MIT, and Berkeley 00:30:02.520 --> 00:30:04.740 align:middle line:90% are all considered number one. 00:30:04.740 --> 00:30:07.410 align:middle line:84% And then, I don't know, this ordering is kind of crazy. 00:30:07.410 --> 00:30:08.830 align:middle line:90% I think they're all very good. 00:30:08.830 --> 00:30:11.670 align:middle line:84% Illinois, Cornell, Washington, Georgia Tech, 00:30:11.670 --> 00:30:15.330 align:middle line:84% Princeton, Texas, CalTech, and Michigan. 00:30:15.330 --> 00:30:19.543 align:middle line:84% These are called the elite or top super 12 or whatever. 00:30:19.543 --> 00:30:21.210 align:middle line:84% But there's a whole bunch of other ones. 00:30:21.210 --> 00:30:24.000 align:middle line:84% I'm not going to read this huge list. 00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:26.543 align:middle line:84% I didn't put them in alphabetical order or anything. 00:30:26.543 --> 00:30:27.960 align:middle line:84% In fact, there might be duplicates 00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:29.820 align:middle line:90% because I'm not very good at-- 00:30:29.820 --> 00:30:32.420 align:middle line:84% I should have put them in alphabetical order. 00:30:32.420 --> 00:30:35.820 align:middle line:84% But these are great schools, all of these. 00:30:35.820 --> 00:30:38.670 align:middle line:84% Some of these schools have information-- 00:30:38.670 --> 00:30:41.190 align:middle line:84% iSchools, some of them just computer science. 00:30:41.190 --> 00:30:43.020 align:middle line:84% You just have to look and see if it suits 00:30:43.020 --> 00:30:45.230 align:middle line:90% what you are interested in. 00:30:45.230 --> 00:30:50.710 align:middle line:84% And so these are the top schools to apply to for the PhD. 00:30:50.710 --> 00:30:53.410 align:middle line:90% 00:30:53.410 --> 00:30:55.380 align:middle line:90% I wanted-- just a few myths. 00:30:55.380 --> 00:30:57.150 align:middle line:90% Grad school is too expensive. 00:30:57.150 --> 00:30:58.200 align:middle line:90% No. 00:30:58.200 --> 00:30:59.403 align:middle line:90% Because you're paid. 00:30:59.403 --> 00:31:01.320 align:middle line:84% If you go to grad school, any of those schools 00:31:01.320 --> 00:31:05.130 align:middle line:84% I've listed there, they will pay you to go to school. 00:31:05.130 --> 00:31:08.430 align:middle line:84% Pay you in the sense of a TA, an RA, 00:31:08.430 --> 00:31:12.370 align:middle line:84% or maybe potentially a fellowship. 00:31:12.370 --> 00:31:15.000 align:middle line:84% Grad school is a lot of difficult classes. 00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:19.800 align:middle line:84% I would say grad school is a few difficult classes. 00:31:19.800 --> 00:31:21.330 align:middle line:90% It's not just taking classes. 00:31:21.330 --> 00:31:23.270 align:middle line:84% It's the research component that's 00:31:23.270 --> 00:31:24.910 align:middle line:90% so much bigger for the PhD. 00:31:24.910 --> 00:31:26.040 align:middle line:90% And for the master's? 00:31:26.040 --> 00:31:27.462 align:middle line:90% Yeah. 00:31:27.462 --> 00:31:28.920 align:middle line:84% If you take a two year master's you 00:31:28.920 --> 00:31:30.503 align:middle line:84% might have a lot of difficult classes. 00:31:30.503 --> 00:31:32.400 align:middle line:84% But I know, at the University of Washington 00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:35.500 align:middle line:84% in some of the other programs that have master's degrees, 00:31:35.500 --> 00:31:37.610 align:middle line:84% there's some research focus on those. 00:31:37.610 --> 00:31:39.150 align:middle line:90% It depends on the institution. 00:31:39.150 --> 00:31:43.650 align:middle line:84% Again, you have to look and see what they do, what they offer. 00:31:43.650 --> 00:31:47.530 align:middle line:84% I have to know what I want to study before I apply. 00:31:47.530 --> 00:31:49.140 align:middle line:90% No, you don't. 00:31:49.140 --> 00:31:51.790 align:middle line:90% 00:31:51.790 --> 00:31:56.790 align:middle line:84% Some people just wait for that inspiration, that spark. 00:31:56.790 --> 00:31:59.130 align:middle line:90% I want to work on this. 00:31:59.130 --> 00:32:01.500 align:middle line:84% What you do have to do is, in your statement of purpose, 00:32:01.500 --> 00:32:03.920 align:middle line:84% you have to say, yeah, I want to study this 00:32:03.920 --> 00:32:07.020 align:middle line:84% and show some enthusiasm, but with the understanding 00:32:07.020 --> 00:32:09.840 align:middle line:84% that you might change after you get there. 00:32:09.840 --> 00:32:13.270 align:middle line:90% 00:32:13.270 --> 00:32:18.660 align:middle line:84% I guess you have to have some idea of what you might 00:32:18.660 --> 00:32:21.200 align:middle line:84% want to study but it doesn't have 00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:23.990 align:middle line:90% to be your final commitment. 00:32:23.990 --> 00:32:26.870 align:middle line:90% And grad school takes too long. 00:32:26.870 --> 00:32:28.220 align:middle line:90% I went to grad school for what? 00:32:28.220 --> 00:32:34.900 align:middle line:84% Five, six years and it did seem like a long time. 00:32:34.900 --> 00:32:36.290 align:middle line:90% But I was busy the whole time. 00:32:36.290 --> 00:32:39.290 align:middle line:90% 00:32:39.290 --> 00:32:42.470 align:middle line:84% It can take too long, and I know people do take much longer 00:32:42.470 --> 00:32:45.160 align:middle line:90% than five or six years. 00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:47.017 align:middle line:84% You can always apply to someplace-- 00:32:47.017 --> 00:32:48.850 align:middle line:84% you could talk to the advisor and say, well, 00:32:48.850 --> 00:32:51.910 align:middle line:84% what's the average time that people take to finish? 00:32:51.910 --> 00:32:55.982 align:middle line:84% Or you can, if you want to work with a Professor A, 00:32:55.982 --> 00:32:58.190 align:middle line:84% you can look up A and look at their graduate students 00:32:58.190 --> 00:33:00.600 align:middle line:90% and look how long they took. 00:33:00.600 --> 00:33:03.060 align:middle line:90% And so that gives you some idea. 00:33:03.060 --> 00:33:05.700 align:middle line:84% Some fields seem to take a lot longer than other fields. 00:33:05.700 --> 00:33:08.520 align:middle line:90% 00:33:08.520 --> 00:33:10.420 align:middle line:84% I think if you're doing something that is-- 00:33:10.420 --> 00:33:13.680 align:middle line:90% 00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:16.380 align:middle line:84% really requires a lot of time you 00:33:16.380 --> 00:33:18.690 align:middle line:90% should know that ahead of time. 00:33:18.690 --> 00:33:22.430 align:middle line:84% I think plan at least five or six years. 00:33:22.430 --> 00:33:25.100 align:middle line:90% Ah, the panel. 00:33:25.100 --> 00:33:27.223 align:middle line:90% How'd I do on timing, Brianna? 00:33:27.223 --> 00:33:28.390 align:middle line:90% BRIANNA BLASER: Not too bad. 00:33:28.390 --> 00:33:31.287 align:middle line:90% RICHARD LADNER: Not too bad. 00:33:31.287 --> 00:33:32.620 align:middle line:90% BRIANNA BLASER: Thanks, Richard. 00:33:32.620 --> 00:33:34.328 align:middle line:84% Richard's going to hang around here, too, 00:33:34.328 --> 00:33:37.870 align:middle line:84% so he'll be answer questions too as we go. 00:33:37.870 --> 00:33:40.450 align:middle line:84% So I'm going to switch to our panel. 00:33:40.450 --> 00:33:44.590 align:middle line:84% Again, we have Anna Kirkpatrick and Ather Sharif 00:33:44.590 --> 00:33:45.580 align:middle line:90% and Liia Butler. 00:33:45.580 --> 00:33:49.510 align:middle line:84% And if you all want to start by introducing yourself, 00:33:49.510 --> 00:33:53.640 align:middle line:84% maybe telling us what you're doing, how you got there, 00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:55.240 align:middle line:84% and something you wish you'd known 00:33:55.240 --> 00:33:56.640 align:middle line:90% before you started grad school. 00:33:56.640 --> 00:34:00.240 align:middle line:90% 00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:02.270 align:middle line:90% Anna, do you want to go first? 00:34:02.270 --> 00:34:04.000 align:middle line:90% ANNA KIRKPATRICK: Sure. 00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:04.500 align:middle line:90% Yeah. 00:34:04.500 --> 00:34:06.660 align:middle line:90% My name is Anna Kirkpatrick. 00:34:06.660 --> 00:34:12.600 align:middle line:84% I am in year number six of a PhD program at Georgia Tech hoping 00:34:12.600 --> 00:34:17.489 align:middle line:84% to graduate this spring or summer but we will see. 00:34:17.489 --> 00:34:23.173 align:middle line:84% My program is actually a strange interdisciplinary one 00:34:23.173 --> 00:34:25.590 align:middle line:84% in the sense that it's only offered at a couple of schools 00:34:25.590 --> 00:34:26.215 align:middle line:90% in the country. 00:34:26.215 --> 00:34:27.989 align:middle line:84% It's called algorithms, combinatorics, 00:34:27.989 --> 00:34:30.179 align:middle line:84% and optimization, and it is actually 00:34:30.179 --> 00:34:33.600 align:middle line:84% an interdisciplinary program between math, computer science, 00:34:33.600 --> 00:34:36.179 align:middle line:84% and industrial and systems engineering. 00:34:36.179 --> 00:34:39.159 align:middle line:84% My own background is in mathematics. 00:34:39.159 --> 00:34:41.340 align:middle line:84% I did an undergraduate degree in math 00:34:41.340 --> 00:34:45.330 align:middle line:84% at the University of South Carolina. 00:34:45.330 --> 00:34:47.330 align:middle line:84% I definitely ended up at Georgia Tech 00:34:47.330 --> 00:34:49.739 align:middle line:84% in this pretty strong program in no small part 00:34:49.739 --> 00:34:54.034 align:middle line:84% because I participated in three, four, 00:34:54.034 --> 00:34:56.159 align:middle line:84% depending how you count it, different undergraduate 00:34:56.159 --> 00:35:00.270 align:middle line:84% research projects while I was an undergrad. 00:35:00.270 --> 00:35:03.570 align:middle line:84% And I had a great professor who mentored me 00:35:03.570 --> 00:35:09.390 align:middle line:84% who I still talk to sometimes when I need advice who mentored 00:35:09.390 --> 00:35:12.370 align:middle line:84% me on a couple of projects that got published 00:35:12.370 --> 00:35:16.290 align:middle line:84% and that was really great for my application. 00:35:16.290 --> 00:35:21.000 align:middle line:84% I will mention in the course of introducing myself 00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:23.340 align:middle line:84% that I have a physical disability in the form 00:35:23.340 --> 00:35:25.770 align:middle line:90% of a nervous system disorder. 00:35:25.770 --> 00:35:29.190 align:middle line:84% I deal with chronic widespread musculoskeletal pain. 00:35:29.190 --> 00:35:32.400 align:middle line:84% It's really painful for me to type or use a computer mouse. 00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:35.100 align:middle line:84% I use a lot of assistive technology. 00:35:35.100 --> 00:35:36.690 align:middle line:84% I definitely have some challenges 00:35:36.690 --> 00:35:40.800 align:middle line:84% in terms of my writing being limited 00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:45.330 align:middle line:84% and my computer input speeds are slower and it's definitely-- 00:35:45.330 --> 00:35:47.090 align:middle line:84% I've had to fight to get what I need 00:35:47.090 --> 00:35:51.330 align:middle line:84% as well as to be given the leniency to work 00:35:51.330 --> 00:35:52.975 align:middle line:90% at a pace that is sustainable. 00:35:52.975 --> 00:35:54.600 align:middle line:84% I've also had some advising adventures. 00:35:54.600 --> 00:35:57.730 align:middle line:84% If anyone-- I can share those if anyone is interested. 00:35:57.730 --> 00:35:59.190 align:middle line:84% And what would I wish I had known? 00:35:59.190 --> 00:36:04.110 align:middle line:90% 00:36:04.110 --> 00:36:08.820 align:middle line:84% That you should really look at a professor's record 00:36:08.820 --> 00:36:11.580 align:middle line:84% before you sign up to be their advisee. 00:36:11.580 --> 00:36:14.220 align:middle line:84% Really look at how long have they 00:36:14.220 --> 00:36:16.350 align:middle line:84% been there, how many students have had they 00:36:16.350 --> 00:36:18.340 align:middle line:90% graduated as PhD students? 00:36:18.340 --> 00:36:20.918 align:middle line:84% So not just their publication record but how many 00:36:20.918 --> 00:36:22.710 align:middle line:84% students have actually graduated with them. 00:36:22.710 --> 00:36:27.240 align:middle line:84% And if possible talk to some of those people. 00:36:27.240 --> 00:36:29.040 align:middle line:84% That would have kept me out of a situation 00:36:29.040 --> 00:36:30.810 align:middle line:90% that I wish I would've avoided. 00:36:30.810 --> 00:36:33.687 align:middle line:90% 00:36:33.687 --> 00:36:34.770 align:middle line:90% BRIANNA BLASER: Excellent. 00:36:34.770 --> 00:36:35.640 align:middle line:90% Thanks. 00:36:35.640 --> 00:36:38.238 align:middle line:84% Ather, do you want to introduce yourself? 00:36:38.238 --> 00:36:39.030 align:middle line:90% ATHER SHARIF: Sure. 00:36:39.030 --> 00:36:39.930 align:middle line:90% I can go next. 00:36:39.930 --> 00:36:42.865 align:middle line:90% Can you all hear me OK? 00:36:42.865 --> 00:36:43.740 align:middle line:90% Some my name's Ather. 00:36:43.740 --> 00:36:46.960 align:middle line:84% I'm a third year PhD student over here at the University 00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:48.510 align:middle line:90% to Washington. 00:36:48.510 --> 00:36:54.550 align:middle line:84% My focus, my research focus, is in broader HCI human computer 00:36:54.550 --> 00:36:57.600 align:middle line:84% interaction but focused on personalization 00:36:57.600 --> 00:37:00.900 align:middle line:90% and accessibility. 00:37:00.900 --> 00:37:04.590 align:middle line:84% I've been here for two years and I'm starting my third year. 00:37:04.590 --> 00:37:09.150 align:middle line:84% I do have a mobility disability, a spinal cord injury. 00:37:09.150 --> 00:37:13.500 align:middle line:84% And the thing that I wish that I had known about grad school, 00:37:13.500 --> 00:37:18.630 align:middle line:84% it's sort of like what Anna said but more also-- 00:37:18.630 --> 00:37:22.290 align:middle line:84% more about the work life balance a little bit. 00:37:22.290 --> 00:37:26.010 align:middle line:84% Grad school gets really busy and sometimes you 00:37:26.010 --> 00:37:27.920 align:middle line:84% do that at the expense of other things. 00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:30.660 align:middle line:84% It's very important to know what you're signing up for. 00:37:30.660 --> 00:37:33.030 align:middle line:84% Just talk to other people, knowing what it's like, 00:37:33.030 --> 00:37:36.190 align:middle line:84% and preparing yourself for it I think is really important. 00:37:36.190 --> 00:37:37.710 align:middle line:90% I wish I knew that before. 00:37:37.710 --> 00:37:40.002 align:middle line:90% That's it for myself. 00:37:40.002 --> 00:37:41.710 align:middle line:84% BRIANNA BLASER: Ather, you got a master's 00:37:41.710 --> 00:37:44.390 align:middle line:90% before you got your PhD. 00:37:44.390 --> 00:37:48.200 align:middle line:84% Can you talk about why you made that decision? 00:37:48.200 --> 00:37:51.422 align:middle line:84% ATHER SHARIF: For going for master's or for going for PhD? 00:37:51.422 --> 00:37:52.380 align:middle line:90% BRIANNA BLASER: Either. 00:37:52.380 --> 00:37:55.047 align:middle line:84% Why you got-- why you originally got a master's and then decided 00:37:55.047 --> 00:37:57.637 align:middle line:90% you wanted to go get a PhD. 00:37:57.637 --> 00:37:59.220 align:middle line:84% ATHER SHARIF: That's a great question. 00:37:59.220 --> 00:38:01.560 align:middle line:84% If I kind of go back and recall-- 00:38:01.560 --> 00:38:04.800 align:middle line:84% I did my master's separately from the PhD program. 00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:07.830 align:middle line:84% When I started my master's my focus was to go into industry. 00:38:07.830 --> 00:38:11.010 align:middle line:84% I was not thinking about research. 00:38:11.010 --> 00:38:12.780 align:middle line:84% I was just thinking about the market value 00:38:12.780 --> 00:38:16.915 align:middle line:84% that I would have after I finished my master's program. 00:38:16.915 --> 00:38:19.290 align:middle line:84% So I went to do my master's, that was a two year master's 00:38:19.290 --> 00:38:20.160 align:middle line:90% program. 00:38:20.160 --> 00:38:23.010 align:middle line:84% Very focused on industrial sense of way, 00:38:23.010 --> 00:38:26.070 align:middle line:84% like developing your skill set and things like that, 00:38:26.070 --> 00:38:30.660 align:middle line:84% increasing market value, your salary raises up immediately 00:38:30.660 --> 00:38:35.490 align:middle line:84% before you get hired, you have much more chances to explore. 00:38:35.490 --> 00:38:38.743 align:middle line:84% As Richard was saying in his slides, 00:38:38.743 --> 00:38:40.410 align:middle line:84% there's many directions that you can go, 00:38:40.410 --> 00:38:42.560 align:middle line:90% many, many paths open up. 00:38:42.560 --> 00:38:47.040 align:middle line:84% PhD for me was a little bit of a different path. 00:38:47.040 --> 00:38:50.310 align:middle line:84% I came to do this PhD program, first, because of Richard. 00:38:50.310 --> 00:38:51.880 align:middle line:90% He was very convincing. 00:38:51.880 --> 00:38:54.630 align:middle line:90% So that was that. 00:38:54.630 --> 00:38:57.323 align:middle line:84% But I was-- there was one thing that 00:38:57.323 --> 00:38:59.490 align:middle line:84% stood out when I was talking to different professors 00:38:59.490 --> 00:39:00.900 align:middle line:90% and everyone. 00:39:00.900 --> 00:39:04.470 align:middle line:84% Is that, when you're in a PhD program, 00:39:04.470 --> 00:39:11.290 align:middle line:84% you don't graduate unless you've created knowledge 00:39:11.290 --> 00:39:13.960 align:middle line:90% that was not existing before. 00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:17.830 align:middle line:84% I think that, just that part, is just really exciting, knowing 00:39:17.830 --> 00:39:20.560 align:middle line:84% that you're coming to this program with a passion 00:39:20.560 --> 00:39:22.400 align:middle line:84% that you might have-- or if you don't, you 00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:25.030 align:middle line:84% will change that and you'll find your passion eventually 00:39:25.030 --> 00:39:28.360 align:middle line:84% in the program-- but when you do graduate, when you do get out 00:39:28.360 --> 00:39:30.810 align:middle line:84% the door, you would have created something 00:39:30.810 --> 00:39:33.740 align:middle line:84% that nobody in this world has ever created before. 00:39:33.740 --> 00:39:35.740 align:middle line:84% It was just really exciting to me and I was just 00:39:35.740 --> 00:39:37.907 align:middle line:84% really passionate about accessibility and the work I 00:39:37.907 --> 00:39:40.240 align:middle line:84% was doing and I thought that if I was the first one 00:39:40.240 --> 00:39:41.850 align:middle line:90% to do something, then-- 00:39:41.850 --> 00:39:44.860 align:middle line:84% and UW is a great school in terms of accessibility, 00:39:44.860 --> 00:39:48.926 align:middle line:84% and there's great minds such as Richard. 00:39:48.926 --> 00:39:50.820 align:middle line:84% If I can work with them and create something 00:39:50.820 --> 00:39:53.320 align:middle line:84% that would just change the world and make the world a better 00:39:53.320 --> 00:39:56.250 align:middle line:84% place then I would want to be here and want to do that. 00:39:56.250 --> 00:39:57.250 align:middle line:90% BRIANNA BLASER: Awesome. 00:39:57.250 --> 00:39:58.760 align:middle line:90% Thanks. 00:39:58.760 --> 00:40:01.810 align:middle line:84% And Liia, do you want to introduce yourself? 00:40:01.810 --> 00:40:02.650 align:middle line:90% LIIA BUTLER: Yeah. 00:40:02.650 --> 00:40:03.370 align:middle line:90% Hi. 00:40:03.370 --> 00:40:05.140 align:middle line:90% I'm Liia Butler. 00:40:05.140 --> 00:40:07.600 align:middle line:90% I am a second year PhD student. 00:40:07.600 --> 00:40:11.200 align:middle line:84% I also did my master's first at University of Illinois 00:40:11.200 --> 00:40:14.110 align:middle line:90% at Urbana-Champaign. 00:40:14.110 --> 00:40:18.760 align:middle line:84% Let's see, now I've had a little bit transition 00:40:18.760 --> 00:40:21.370 align:middle line:84% from like software engineering and CS education to I'm 00:40:21.370 --> 00:40:24.760 align:middle line:84% just wanting to do CS education right now, which has been fun. 00:40:24.760 --> 00:40:29.290 align:middle line:90% 00:40:29.290 --> 00:40:34.790 align:middle line:84% I have ADHD and, let's see, what was the other thing? 00:40:34.790 --> 00:40:37.420 align:middle line:84% One thing that I wish that I had known 00:40:37.420 --> 00:40:41.130 align:middle line:84% before jumping into grad school is 00:40:41.130 --> 00:40:44.920 align:middle line:84% it's actually a very real statement 00:40:44.920 --> 00:40:47.320 align:middle line:84% that it's a very personal journey for each 00:40:47.320 --> 00:40:48.200 align:middle line:90% and every one of you. 00:40:48.200 --> 00:40:49.960 align:middle line:84% So take advantage of those times where 00:40:49.960 --> 00:40:52.360 align:middle line:84% you can customize it to make you fit better 00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:54.260 align:middle line:84% anywhere between the application process 00:40:54.260 --> 00:40:55.510 align:middle line:90% to when you're actually there. 00:40:55.510 --> 00:40:58.860 align:middle line:90% 00:40:58.860 --> 00:41:01.850 align:middle line:84% BRIANNA BLASER: But how-- what about your thoughts on why 00:41:01.850 --> 00:41:06.510 align:middle line:84% did you initially do a master's and then decide to do a PhD? 00:41:06.510 --> 00:41:07.710 align:middle line:90% LIIA BUTLER: Yeah. 00:41:07.710 --> 00:41:11.730 align:middle line:84% My journey here has been a bit weird. 00:41:11.730 --> 00:41:14.700 align:middle line:84% I actually started out a film and German double major, 00:41:14.700 --> 00:41:17.730 align:middle line:84% which, by the way, if you have something crazy like that, 00:41:17.730 --> 00:41:22.210 align:middle line:84% it's great to put in your statement of purpose 00:41:22.210 --> 00:41:25.642 align:middle line:84% because even professors, years later, were like, 00:41:25.642 --> 00:41:28.100 align:middle line:84% oh, yeah, you were the film and German person, weren't you? 00:41:28.100 --> 00:41:29.410 align:middle line:90% I'm like, yep. 00:41:29.410 --> 00:41:32.650 align:middle line:84% So I had changed my mind a lot about majors. 00:41:32.650 --> 00:41:36.340 align:middle line:84% I was pretty sure that I wanted to do a PhD 00:41:36.340 --> 00:41:38.530 align:middle line:84% and ultimately become a professor, 00:41:38.530 --> 00:41:41.080 align:middle line:84% and luckily I haven't changed my mind about that since. 00:41:41.080 --> 00:41:44.230 align:middle line:84% But I kind of wanted that master's buffer 00:41:44.230 --> 00:41:47.590 align:middle line:84% to see what grad school is really like 00:41:47.590 --> 00:41:51.760 align:middle line:84% but have a quick escape if it didn't work out. 00:41:51.760 --> 00:41:55.180 align:middle line:84% Obviously, if you figure out that PhD isn't right for you, 00:41:55.180 --> 00:41:56.140 align:middle line:90% you can still drop out. 00:41:56.140 --> 00:41:58.510 align:middle line:84% But it was a little bit more comforting to me 00:41:58.510 --> 00:42:00.820 align:middle line:90% to know that I had that space. 00:42:00.820 --> 00:42:02.860 align:middle line:84% Kind of like an incubation period before I'm 00:42:02.860 --> 00:42:06.145 align:middle line:90% a full PhD student. 00:42:06.145 --> 00:42:07.145 align:middle line:90% BRIANNA BLASER: Awesome. 00:42:07.145 --> 00:42:10.500 align:middle line:90% 00:42:10.500 --> 00:42:12.510 align:middle line:84% Can you all comment a little bit about applying 00:42:12.510 --> 00:42:15.660 align:middle line:84% to graduate school and how you decided where to apply 00:42:15.660 --> 00:42:18.180 align:middle line:90% and what that process was like. 00:42:18.180 --> 00:42:23.662 align:middle line:84% Any accessibility issues you faced or difficulties? 00:42:23.662 --> 00:42:25.120 align:middle line:84% ANNA KIRKPATRICK: Well, I certainly 00:42:25.120 --> 00:42:27.700 align:middle line:90% have a few things to say there. 00:42:27.700 --> 00:42:30.530 align:middle line:90% 00:42:30.530 --> 00:42:33.220 align:middle line:84% The choice about where to apply was largely 00:42:33.220 --> 00:42:34.725 align:middle line:84% based on input I got from professors 00:42:34.725 --> 00:42:36.350 align:middle line:84% I knew at my undergraduate institution. 00:42:36.350 --> 00:42:37.820 align:middle line:84% So that's pretty straightforward. 00:42:37.820 --> 00:42:41.180 align:middle line:84% I talked to people I respected in the department 00:42:41.180 --> 00:42:43.360 align:middle line:84% and then narrowed down a list from there. 00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:46.670 align:middle line:90% 00:42:46.670 --> 00:42:48.940 align:middle line:84% One of the things that actually narrowed things 00:42:48.940 --> 00:42:51.445 align:middle line:90% down a little farther was I-- 00:42:51.445 --> 00:42:54.710 align:middle line:84% and remember, this was six, seven years ago 00:42:54.710 --> 00:42:56.477 align:middle line:90% so the GRE was much more common. 00:42:56.477 --> 00:42:58.060 align:middle line:84% In fact, GRE subject tests were pretty 00:42:58.060 --> 00:43:02.865 align:middle line:84% common in math and adjacent programs, 00:43:02.865 --> 00:43:04.990 align:middle line:84% which with my background, was where I was applying. 00:43:04.990 --> 00:43:09.100 align:middle line:90% 00:43:09.100 --> 00:43:12.550 align:middle line:84% I looked through all the information about the GRE 00:43:12.550 --> 00:43:17.140 align:middle line:84% and what accommodations were available and could not-- 00:43:17.140 --> 00:43:19.390 align:middle line:84% what I would have needed to actually take that test 00:43:19.390 --> 00:43:23.950 align:middle line:84% and not have it cause a real symptom flare up and be really 00:43:23.950 --> 00:43:25.750 align:middle line:84% harmful to my health was just not something 00:43:25.750 --> 00:43:29.560 align:middle line:90% that was going to be available. 00:43:29.560 --> 00:43:35.470 align:middle line:84% Even with a scribe sitting still looking at a paper or screen 00:43:35.470 --> 00:43:39.073 align:middle line:84% or whatever for that long without my ergonomic setup, 00:43:39.073 --> 00:43:40.990 align:middle line:84% without the ability to get up and move around, 00:43:40.990 --> 00:43:43.670 align:middle line:90% it was just going to be bad. 00:43:43.670 --> 00:43:49.150 align:middle line:84% So after talking to my undergraduate advisor 00:43:49.150 --> 00:43:52.090 align:middle line:84% and talking it through with him, what I did was 00:43:52.090 --> 00:43:55.720 align:middle line:84% I started emailing the program directors, the people who 00:43:55.720 --> 00:43:58.840 align:middle line:84% were points of contact for the various schools 00:43:58.840 --> 00:44:01.210 align:middle line:84% and asking if they would be willing to consider 00:44:01.210 --> 00:44:05.980 align:middle line:90% my application without the GRE. 00:44:05.980 --> 00:44:10.000 align:middle line:84% And not only did I not have to take 00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:13.400 align:middle line:84% the GRE as a result of this, just about everyone agreed-- 00:44:13.400 --> 00:44:16.930 align:middle line:84% another thing, at the advice of my undergraduate advisor, 00:44:16.930 --> 00:44:22.480 align:middle line:84% I did include a copy of my CV at that point, which, 00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:24.852 align:middle line:84% because of the undergraduate research I'd done, 00:44:24.852 --> 00:44:26.560 align:middle line:84% looked impressive enough that they wanted 00:44:26.560 --> 00:44:27.753 align:middle line:90% to give me a second look. 00:44:27.753 --> 00:44:28.420 align:middle line:90% Put it that way. 00:44:28.420 --> 00:44:31.473 align:middle line:90% 00:44:31.473 --> 00:44:32.890 align:middle line:84% The other thing is that there were 00:44:32.890 --> 00:44:34.265 align:middle line:84% a couple of places where I didn't 00:44:34.265 --> 00:44:35.770 align:middle line:90% like the responses I got. 00:44:35.770 --> 00:44:37.510 align:middle line:84% Even if they gave me permission, they 00:44:37.510 --> 00:44:40.810 align:middle line:84% were rude or they brought up inappropriate concerns 00:44:40.810 --> 00:44:42.762 align:middle line:90% or they-- 00:44:42.762 --> 00:44:44.720 align:middle line:84% I know, Liia, you're at University of Illinois, 00:44:44.720 --> 00:44:46.470 align:middle line:84% I was talking to someone in school of math 00:44:46.470 --> 00:44:52.240 align:middle line:84% who just sent me a really, really ablest response 00:44:52.240 --> 00:44:59.140 align:middle line:84% basically outlining all the ways that being a PhD student 00:44:59.140 --> 00:45:01.060 align:middle line:90% would be hard for me. 00:45:01.060 --> 00:45:03.880 align:middle line:90% It was horrid. 00:45:03.880 --> 00:45:04.630 align:middle line:90% And you know what? 00:45:04.630 --> 00:45:07.750 align:middle line:90% I didn't apply there. 00:45:07.750 --> 00:45:09.640 align:middle line:84% So that was actually really helpful 00:45:09.640 --> 00:45:12.340 align:middle line:84% because I learned that wasn't a place I wanted to be, 00:45:12.340 --> 00:45:14.200 align:middle line:84% in that particular department anyway, 00:45:14.200 --> 00:45:18.670 align:middle line:84% and I saved myself an application fee. 00:45:18.670 --> 00:45:21.260 align:middle line:84% I also got a few fee waivers out of the deal, by the way, 00:45:21.260 --> 00:45:25.763 align:middle line:84% just by making personal ish contact with program directors. 00:45:25.763 --> 00:45:28.430 align:middle line:84% There were a couple places where they, oh, sure you can do that, 00:45:28.430 --> 00:45:30.610 align:middle line:84% and by the way, have a fee waiver. 00:45:30.610 --> 00:45:33.490 align:middle line:84% Which I didn't objectively need or anything, 00:45:33.490 --> 00:45:38.770 align:middle line:84% but they saw my record and wanted me to apply. 00:45:38.770 --> 00:45:42.760 align:middle line:84% It was a really good litmus test in addition to helping 00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:45.060 align:middle line:90% with the accessibility issue. 00:45:45.060 --> 00:45:48.210 align:middle line:84% RICHARD LADNER: Can I just add about the fee waiver? 00:45:48.210 --> 00:45:50.730 align:middle line:84% That's something that you can always request. 00:45:50.730 --> 00:45:56.100 align:middle line:84% Some of these application fees are pretty expensive. 00:45:56.100 --> 00:45:58.620 align:middle line:84% I think-- our school has some ability 00:45:58.620 --> 00:46:02.390 align:middle line:84% to waive those so be sure to keep that in mind 00:46:02.390 --> 00:46:03.630 align:middle line:90% if cost is a real issue. 00:46:03.630 --> 00:46:07.315 align:middle line:90% 00:46:07.315 --> 00:46:08.690 align:middle line:84% BRIANNA BLASER: Ather or Liia, do 00:46:08.690 --> 00:46:10.815 align:middle line:84% you want to add anything about your graduate school 00:46:10.815 --> 00:46:12.500 align:middle line:90% application process? 00:46:12.500 --> 00:46:15.883 align:middle line:90% 00:46:15.883 --> 00:46:17.300 align:middle line:84% LIIA BUTLER: I feel what Anna said 00:46:17.300 --> 00:46:20.630 align:middle line:84% was perfect because I honestly probably 00:46:20.630 --> 00:46:23.930 align:middle line:84% went about it the worst way of applying to grad school. 00:46:23.930 --> 00:46:27.260 align:middle line:84% I was just all over the place submitting last minute. 00:46:27.260 --> 00:46:30.200 align:middle line:84% There were times where I couldn't get my application 00:46:30.200 --> 00:46:33.710 align:middle line:84% to go through because everybody's submitting December 00:46:33.710 --> 00:46:37.740 align:middle line:90% 15th 11:59 PM. 00:46:37.740 --> 00:46:41.960 align:middle line:84% So just getting everything done and all together 00:46:41.960 --> 00:46:44.330 align:middle line:84% and do your research because, luckily, it worked out 00:46:44.330 --> 00:46:46.920 align:middle line:84% for me where coming to University of Illinois, 00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:49.580 align:middle line:84% that was the one I did a little bit more research 00:46:49.580 --> 00:46:51.800 align:middle line:84% on then the rest of the schools I was looking at. 00:46:51.800 --> 00:46:54.380 align:middle line:84% And luckily, I was in a really good situation. 00:46:54.380 --> 00:46:58.310 align:middle line:84% But obviously, the more time you put and prepare and at least 00:46:58.310 --> 00:47:01.580 align:middle line:84% get something down and ready to go, most of those 00:47:01.580 --> 00:47:05.252 align:middle line:84% places you can go back and revise and improve 00:47:05.252 --> 00:47:05.960 align:middle line:90% your application. 00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:09.740 align:middle line:84% But just getting something together as soon as possible 00:47:09.740 --> 00:47:11.900 align:middle line:84% would have definitely helped me out. 00:47:11.900 --> 00:47:14.870 align:middle line:90% 00:47:14.870 --> 00:47:17.910 align:middle line:84% ATHER SHARIF: I'll just add to that a little bit. 00:47:17.910 --> 00:47:19.820 align:middle line:84% I think what Anna said and what Liia said, 00:47:19.820 --> 00:47:22.760 align:middle line:90% it's just about perfect. 00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:26.810 align:middle line:84% But at this point in time, there's been a lot of work 00:47:26.810 --> 00:47:30.110 align:middle line:84% in how people are getting more aware of the underrepresented 00:47:30.110 --> 00:47:31.892 align:middle line:84% minorities, underrepresented groups, 00:47:31.892 --> 00:47:33.350 align:middle line:84% so they've started these programs-- 00:47:33.350 --> 00:47:35.267 align:middle line:84% and I've seen that come through from Stanford, 00:47:35.267 --> 00:47:38.240 align:middle line:84% I've seen that come through at UC Berkeley as well-- 00:47:38.240 --> 00:47:41.480 align:middle line:84% where there are workshops that the universities are giving 00:47:41.480 --> 00:47:43.610 align:middle line:84% and they will review your applications. 00:47:43.610 --> 00:47:47.780 align:middle line:84% And they will also help you answer your questions 00:47:47.780 --> 00:47:48.853 align:middle line:90% about what do you-- 00:47:48.853 --> 00:47:50.270 align:middle line:84% what should you do, how should you 00:47:50.270 --> 00:47:53.390 align:middle line:84% write it, what do you expect, how are the reviewers looking 00:47:53.390 --> 00:47:54.620 align:middle line:90% at it? 00:47:54.620 --> 00:47:56.600 align:middle line:84% So those are things that are helpful. 00:47:56.600 --> 00:47:58.970 align:middle line:84% If you are thinking of applying, then I 00:47:58.970 --> 00:48:04.640 align:middle line:84% think it will be beneficial to make use of those workshops. 00:48:04.640 --> 00:48:08.180 align:middle line:84% Of course, just being in touch with the professors who 00:48:08.180 --> 00:48:11.630 align:middle line:84% are eventually going to be reviewing your application 00:48:11.630 --> 00:48:14.900 align:middle line:84% or might be at the school that you're applying for 00:48:14.900 --> 00:48:18.480 align:middle line:90% might be very helpful as well. 00:48:18.480 --> 00:48:19.480 align:middle line:90% BRIANNA BLASER: I have-- 00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:20.220 align:middle line:90% thanks, Ather. 00:48:20.220 --> 00:48:21.610 align:middle line:84% I have one more question I'm going to ask 00:48:21.610 --> 00:48:22.810 align:middle line:84% and then I want to make sure that we 00:48:22.810 --> 00:48:25.370 align:middle line:84% leave a chance for folks to ask some of your own questions. 00:48:25.370 --> 00:48:29.542 align:middle line:84% So you can raise your hand or type questions in the chat 00:48:29.542 --> 00:48:30.750 align:middle line:90% if you want to ask questions. 00:48:30.750 --> 00:48:33.730 align:middle line:84% And I Gina already added a link there to information 00:48:33.730 --> 00:48:36.030 align:middle line:84% about the NSF graduate research fellowship 00:48:36.030 --> 00:48:37.030 align:middle line:90% program, which is great. 00:48:37.030 --> 00:48:39.815 align:middle line:84% Thank you, Gina, for adding that there. 00:48:39.815 --> 00:48:42.190 align:middle line:84% The last thing I wanted to ask, because this is something 00:48:42.190 --> 00:48:44.440 align:middle line:84% I've had a lot of conversations with graduate students 00:48:44.440 --> 00:48:46.660 align:middle line:84% about over the years, it's about the accommodations 00:48:46.660 --> 00:48:48.370 align:middle line:90% that you get in graduate school. 00:48:48.370 --> 00:48:52.210 align:middle line:84% And a lot of settings that are much more straightforward 00:48:52.210 --> 00:48:54.820 align:middle line:84% as an undergraduate are not nearly as 00:48:54.820 --> 00:48:56.980 align:middle line:84% straightforward and clear of what accommodations 00:48:56.980 --> 00:49:00.295 align:middle line:84% you might need or be able to get as a graduate student. 00:49:00.295 --> 00:49:03.070 align:middle line:84% So I'd love to hear about how that has worked for all of you. 00:49:03.070 --> 00:49:05.622 align:middle line:90% 00:49:05.622 --> 00:49:06.580 align:middle line:90% ANNA KIRKPATRICK: Yeah. 00:49:06.580 --> 00:49:08.710 align:middle line:90% So that's been an adventure. 00:49:08.710 --> 00:49:15.820 align:middle line:84% On one hand, things get easier because they get less formal. 00:49:15.820 --> 00:49:18.490 align:middle line:84% You get to have-- you get to know, 00:49:18.490 --> 00:49:20.890 align:middle line:84% you get to form these professional relationships, 00:49:20.890 --> 00:49:28.076 align:middle line:84% with professors and others in your department, you get to-- 00:49:28.076 --> 00:49:31.730 align:middle line:84% sometimes you start requesting accommodations 00:49:31.730 --> 00:49:34.910 align:middle line:84% through channels other than the disability services office. 00:49:34.910 --> 00:49:39.290 align:middle line:84% I've requested several things directly through my department 00:49:39.290 --> 00:49:42.440 align:middle line:84% and that has been the better way to handle some of it. 00:49:42.440 --> 00:49:46.010 align:middle line:84% But I have still been figuring it out, basically, 00:49:46.010 --> 00:49:47.810 align:middle line:90% the whole time I've been here. 00:49:47.810 --> 00:49:54.350 align:middle line:84% I came in with one set of ideas and didn't-- 00:49:54.350 --> 00:49:57.270 align:middle line:84% and some of it worked and some of it didn't and had to modify. 00:49:57.270 --> 00:49:59.990 align:middle line:90% 00:49:59.990 --> 00:50:02.810 align:middle line:84% I'll tell you, it was in my fourth year 00:50:02.810 --> 00:50:06.110 align:middle line:84% I got an ergonomic workstation for my office 00:50:06.110 --> 00:50:08.840 align:middle line:84% that would have been really helpful the whole time. 00:50:08.840 --> 00:50:13.670 align:middle line:84% I had no idea that it was an option. 00:50:13.670 --> 00:50:17.480 align:middle line:84% I ended up being able to request an ergonomics evaluation 00:50:17.480 --> 00:50:21.440 align:middle line:84% through the occupational health and safety here at Georgia Tech 00:50:21.440 --> 00:50:23.600 align:middle line:84% and got someone who came out and spoke to me 00:50:23.600 --> 00:50:26.750 align:middle line:84% and looked at my space and made recommendations, and then 00:50:26.750 --> 00:50:29.080 align:middle line:84% the department actually purchased me 00:50:29.080 --> 00:50:33.170 align:middle line:84% a really nice ergonomic workstation where I can-- 00:50:33.170 --> 00:50:35.240 align:middle line:84% I'm not in my office now, I'm in my apartment-- 00:50:35.240 --> 00:50:40.640 align:middle line:84% but when I'm in my office, I have a chair that can recline 00:50:40.640 --> 00:50:42.020 align:middle line:90% quite a bit and the mon-- 00:50:42.020 --> 00:50:44.240 align:middle line:84% position the monitor arm so I can still see them, 00:50:44.240 --> 00:50:46.370 align:middle line:84% I can still use my eye gaze and other inputs 00:50:46.370 --> 00:50:49.670 align:middle line:90% from that recline position. 00:50:49.670 --> 00:50:51.290 align:middle line:84% Really helpful for pain management. 00:50:51.290 --> 00:50:53.540 align:middle line:84% I had-- it would've been helpful the whole time. 00:50:53.540 --> 00:50:56.350 align:middle line:84% Part of it was my condition itself changed. 00:50:56.350 --> 00:50:59.000 align:middle line:90% It does over time. 00:50:59.000 --> 00:51:00.650 align:middle line:90% Who knows why. 00:51:00.650 --> 00:51:03.050 align:middle line:84% It's not progressive but it's like what 00:51:03.050 --> 00:51:06.170 align:middle line:90% is the most issue can shift. 00:51:06.170 --> 00:51:08.460 align:middle line:84% And part of it was just that I had no idea. 00:51:08.460 --> 00:51:11.240 align:middle line:84% And I only learned about that when I connected with a faculty 00:51:11.240 --> 00:51:14.170 align:middle line:84% member with a disability here on campus who pointed me towards, 00:51:14.170 --> 00:51:16.670 align:middle line:84% oh, yeah, there's this office you can request because you're 00:51:16.670 --> 00:51:18.440 align:middle line:90% technically an employee. 00:51:18.440 --> 00:51:21.020 align:middle line:84% I'm like a third time employee technically as a grad student 00:51:21.020 --> 00:51:22.725 align:middle line:84% but grad students are employees so you 00:51:22.725 --> 00:51:24.350 align:middle line:84% can request some of these services that 00:51:24.350 --> 00:51:25.892 align:middle line:84% are available at employees, including 00:51:25.892 --> 00:51:27.100 align:middle line:90% the ergonomics evaluation. 00:51:27.100 --> 00:51:32.677 align:middle line:84% So just figuring out where to ask for things can be a jumble. 00:51:32.677 --> 00:51:34.010 align:middle line:90% And I've worked a lot of stuff-- 00:51:34.010 --> 00:51:35.750 align:middle line:84% accommodations for my comprehensive exams 00:51:35.750 --> 00:51:36.410 align:middle line:90% was a big one. 00:51:36.410 --> 00:51:38.428 align:middle line:84% And I can-- there's a whole bunch of details 00:51:38.428 --> 00:51:39.470 align:middle line:90% there that I could share. 00:51:39.470 --> 00:51:42.770 align:middle line:84% But I worked that out myself in conversations 00:51:42.770 --> 00:51:44.713 align:middle line:90% with my program director. 00:51:44.713 --> 00:51:46.880 align:middle line:84% I did not go through the disability services office. 00:51:46.880 --> 00:51:49.770 align:middle line:84% They had no clue what was going on. 00:51:49.770 --> 00:51:50.285 align:middle line:90% Yeah. 00:51:50.285 --> 00:51:51.410 align:middle line:90% I'll let other people talk. 00:51:51.410 --> 00:51:53.360 align:middle line:84% But, yeah, it's very different in grad school. 00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:55.558 align:middle line:90% 00:51:55.558 --> 00:51:57.600 align:middle line:84% BRIANNA BLASER: Liia, how about your experiences? 00:51:57.600 --> 00:52:00.470 align:middle line:90% 00:52:00.470 --> 00:52:02.673 align:middle line:90% LIIA BUTLER: Yeah. 00:52:02.673 --> 00:52:04.840 align:middle line:84% I'm going to end up echoing a lot of the same things 00:52:04.840 --> 00:52:06.370 align:middle line:84% but just from my personal experience 00:52:06.370 --> 00:52:08.230 align:middle line:84% that things they're always changing 00:52:08.230 --> 00:52:13.180 align:middle line:84% and you figure out how some of your needs evolve not only-- 00:52:13.180 --> 00:52:15.250 align:middle line:84% just in your graduate experience in general. 00:52:15.250 --> 00:52:18.520 align:middle line:84% For example, in your first two years 00:52:18.520 --> 00:52:22.600 align:middle line:84% you take more courses and some of the courses, at least 00:52:22.600 --> 00:52:25.780 align:middle line:84% for University of Illinois, they were both senior year 00:52:25.780 --> 00:52:28.150 align:middle line:84% of undergrad and grad students were taking these courses 00:52:28.150 --> 00:52:32.690 align:middle line:84% so it was still very lecture and test based. 00:52:32.690 --> 00:52:36.970 align:middle line:84% So the typical accommodations, like getting extended time 00:52:36.970 --> 00:52:43.690 align:middle line:84% for tests or distraction reduced environment or automated note 00:52:43.690 --> 00:52:48.250 align:middle line:84% takers, those would obviously be a little bit more useful 00:52:48.250 --> 00:52:49.630 align:middle line:90% towards the beginning. 00:52:49.630 --> 00:52:53.200 align:middle line:84% And then as you kind of progress through grad school, 00:52:53.200 --> 00:52:55.300 align:middle line:90% just being able to more-- 00:52:55.300 --> 00:52:57.490 align:middle line:84% learning how to communicate with your advisor 00:52:57.490 --> 00:52:59.410 align:middle line:84% and even figuring out what you need yourself 00:52:59.410 --> 00:53:04.450 align:middle line:84% because, again, grad school is a very wild and personal 00:53:04.450 --> 00:53:05.150 align:middle line:90% experience. 00:53:05.150 --> 00:53:08.480 align:middle line:84% So just talking to other people and taking the time 00:53:08.480 --> 00:53:10.480 align:middle line:84% to figure out what's work for other people, what 00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:14.095 align:middle line:84% might work for you, and just going from there. 00:53:14.095 --> 00:53:15.970 align:middle line:84% So it just ends up being more general to more 00:53:15.970 --> 00:53:20.793 align:middle line:90% personal in my experience. 00:53:20.793 --> 00:53:21.710 align:middle line:90% BRIANNA BLASER: Great. 00:53:21.710 --> 00:53:23.670 align:middle line:90% Ather? 00:53:23.670 --> 00:53:28.380 align:middle line:84% ATHER SHARIF: Kind of like the same thing as has been said. 00:53:28.380 --> 00:53:33.730 align:middle line:84% In undergrad or in a master's program, you're taking classes. 00:53:33.730 --> 00:53:38.950 align:middle line:90% So you have internal deadlines. 00:53:38.950 --> 00:53:41.190 align:middle line:84% It kind of makes sense at that point, 00:53:41.190 --> 00:53:45.330 align:middle line:84% if you needed extra time, usually it's time and a half, 00:53:45.330 --> 00:53:48.390 align:middle line:90% that's the rule they follow. 00:53:48.390 --> 00:53:49.950 align:middle line:90% When it comes to grads-- 00:53:49.950 --> 00:53:51.780 align:middle line:90% and note takers as well. 00:53:51.780 --> 00:53:55.890 align:middle line:84% And those are the accommodations that I needed in grad school. 00:53:55.890 --> 00:53:58.740 align:middle line:84% In a PhD program when you're not taking classes 00:53:58.740 --> 00:54:02.580 align:middle line:84% and your deadlines are mostly external, because you're 00:54:02.580 --> 00:54:06.240 align:middle line:84% submitting paper deadlines, they don't get extended. 00:54:06.240 --> 00:54:09.270 align:middle line:84% The paper deadlines stay the same. 00:54:09.270 --> 00:54:12.780 align:middle line:84% The fellowship application deadline stayed the same. 00:54:12.780 --> 00:54:15.330 align:middle line:84% And anything else that goes on is-- 00:54:15.330 --> 00:54:17.880 align:middle line:84% that doesn't move so that accommodation 00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:20.370 align:middle line:90% doesn't apply that much. 00:54:20.370 --> 00:54:23.840 align:middle line:90% It's unfortunate that way. 00:54:23.840 --> 00:54:28.740 align:middle line:84% Note taking is, again, very, very good in terms of classes. 00:54:28.740 --> 00:54:33.510 align:middle line:84% But when, as you move forward in your program, then you are-- 00:54:33.510 --> 00:54:35.760 align:middle line:84% then basically you're just meeting with your advisors, 00:54:35.760 --> 00:54:38.700 align:middle line:84% you'll have lab meetings, you'll have 00:54:38.700 --> 00:54:40.455 align:middle line:90% meetings with collaborators. 00:54:40.455 --> 00:54:43.070 align:middle line:90% 00:54:43.070 --> 00:54:48.320 align:middle line:84% That's a tough-- that's a slightly difficult path 00:54:48.320 --> 00:54:50.930 align:middle line:84% to navigate through when it comes to the disability 00:54:50.930 --> 00:54:53.690 align:middle line:84% resources services or the DRs or whatever it's 00:54:53.690 --> 00:54:56.703 align:middle line:90% called in other universities. 00:54:56.703 --> 00:54:58.370 align:middle line:84% Generally, what I've done in the past is 00:54:58.370 --> 00:55:00.412 align:middle line:84% I've just asked my advisors to take notes for me. 00:55:00.412 --> 00:55:03.570 align:middle line:84% And they have done it because it's just the three of us. 00:55:03.570 --> 00:55:06.020 align:middle line:84% I'm co-advised so there are two advisors and me. 00:55:06.020 --> 00:55:08.330 align:middle line:84% So when we meet, I tell them to take notes for me 00:55:08.330 --> 00:55:10.622 align:middle line:84% and they take notes for me and then they gave it to me. 00:55:10.622 --> 00:55:12.920 align:middle line:90% 00:55:12.920 --> 00:55:15.110 align:middle line:84% It becomes a little bit individualized, 00:55:15.110 --> 00:55:17.900 align:middle line:84% a little bit because you have to figure out 00:55:17.900 --> 00:55:22.970 align:middle line:84% a way to do it in a different way, I would think. 00:55:22.970 --> 00:55:27.740 align:middle line:90% 00:55:27.740 --> 00:55:31.070 align:middle line:84% Official accommodations, you have to get creative about it. 00:55:31.070 --> 00:55:34.470 align:middle line:84% It's not-- it's not like it's impossible. 00:55:34.470 --> 00:55:39.890 align:middle line:84% It's doable, it happens, but it sometimes 00:55:39.890 --> 00:55:43.590 align:middle line:84% needs a little bit of creativity. 00:55:43.590 --> 00:55:44.840 align:middle line:90% BRIANNA BLASER: I think, too-- 00:55:44.840 --> 00:55:46.590 align:middle line:84% the way you talked about that, Ather, too, 00:55:46.590 --> 00:55:49.190 align:middle line:84% there's the human element of just asking somebody 00:55:49.190 --> 00:55:49.998 align:middle line:90% to take notes. 00:55:49.998 --> 00:55:52.040 align:middle line:84% And when you have those more personal connections 00:55:52.040 --> 00:55:54.613 align:middle line:84% it's easier to do that sort of a thing. 00:55:54.613 --> 00:55:56.030 align:middle line:84% So we do have a couple of minutes. 00:55:56.030 --> 00:55:58.040 align:middle line:84% If anybody has a question, I'd love 00:55:58.040 --> 00:56:01.055 align:middle line:84% to give you a chance to ask it in the chat 00:56:01.055 --> 00:56:02.055 align:middle line:90% or by raising your hand. 00:56:02.055 --> 00:56:08.960 align:middle line:90% 00:56:08.960 --> 00:56:09.960 align:middle line:90% RICHARD LADNER: I just-- 00:56:09.960 --> 00:56:10.530 align:middle line:90% BRIANNA BLASER: Richard? 00:56:10.530 --> 00:56:12.025 align:middle line:84% RICHARD LADNER: I have a comment. 00:56:12.025 --> 00:56:12.900 align:middle line:90% BRIANNA BLASER: Yeah. 00:56:12.900 --> 00:56:13.775 align:middle line:90% RICHARD LADNER: Yeah. 00:56:13.775 --> 00:56:15.820 align:middle line:84% What Anna said earlier was pretty important, 00:56:15.820 --> 00:56:21.810 align:middle line:84% that when you're a student you go through the student students 00:56:21.810 --> 00:56:25.650 align:middle line:84% with disabilities resource office or whatever it's called. 00:56:25.650 --> 00:56:27.600 align:middle line:84% When you're a graduate student, you're 00:56:27.600 --> 00:56:29.940 align:middle line:84% a student and an employee because you're either 00:56:29.940 --> 00:56:33.450 align:middle line:84% a TA or an RA so there's another separate office. 00:56:33.450 --> 00:56:37.050 align:middle line:84% And sometimes there aren't going to be that many people 00:56:37.050 --> 00:56:39.000 align:middle line:84% with disabilities that need that kind-- 00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:43.110 align:middle line:84% those kinds of accommodations, employee like accommodations. 00:56:43.110 --> 00:56:46.910 align:middle line:84% So the people in your department might not even know about it. 00:56:46.910 --> 00:56:50.400 align:middle line:84% But this is where the self advocacy comes in 00:56:50.400 --> 00:56:53.700 align:middle line:84% and you have to understand, oh, I'm an employee, 00:56:53.700 --> 00:56:55.300 align:middle line:84% I an go through this other office. 00:56:55.300 --> 00:56:59.060 align:middle line:84% And that's what Anna did, which was very smart. 00:56:59.060 --> 00:57:01.210 align:middle line:84% But sometimes the people in your department 00:57:01.210 --> 00:57:04.376 align:middle line:90% won't know things like that. 00:57:04.376 --> 00:57:05.910 align:middle line:84% BRIANNA BLASER: That's a good point. 00:57:05.910 --> 00:57:08.090 align:middle line:90% Erin, I see you have a question. 00:57:08.090 --> 00:57:08.590 align:middle line:90% ERIN: Yeah. 00:57:08.590 --> 00:57:10.200 align:middle line:90% So my question is mostly-- 00:57:10.200 --> 00:57:13.460 align:middle line:84% I am sitting on the corner of three different departments. 00:57:13.460 --> 00:57:15.970 align:middle line:84% I got computer science, physics, and astronomy, 00:57:15.970 --> 00:57:19.260 align:middle line:90% and it's like, how do I decide-- 00:57:19.260 --> 00:57:22.140 align:middle line:84% and what I want to research and what I want to do for my life 00:57:22.140 --> 00:57:24.180 align:middle line:90% involves all three of those. 00:57:24.180 --> 00:57:29.100 align:middle line:84% How do I decide which department I should apply to? 00:57:29.100 --> 00:57:32.040 align:middle line:84% Or can I apply to all of them and just 00:57:32.040 --> 00:57:35.330 align:middle line:90% get into one hopefully. 00:57:35.330 --> 00:57:38.270 align:middle line:84% ANNA KIRKPATRICK: So I am in an interdisciplinary program 00:57:38.270 --> 00:57:40.880 align:middle line:84% and sit on the corner of three departments, 00:57:40.880 --> 00:57:43.010 align:middle line:84% and actually four because my work 00:57:43.010 --> 00:57:45.112 align:middle line:84% actually involves biological applications. 00:57:45.112 --> 00:57:46.820 align:middle line:84% So there are three in my program and then 00:57:46.820 --> 00:57:48.237 align:middle line:84% I actually have a co advisor who's 00:57:48.237 --> 00:57:49.850 align:middle line:90% in biomedical engineering. 00:57:49.850 --> 00:57:52.520 align:middle line:90% So I can relate. 00:57:52.520 --> 00:57:55.940 align:middle line:84% There's nothing wrong with applying to programs 00:57:55.940 --> 00:57:57.950 align:middle line:90% in different fields. 00:57:57.950 --> 00:58:01.880 align:middle line:84% It'd be kind of weird, I guess, to apply to multiple programs 00:58:01.880 --> 00:58:06.003 align:middle line:84% at the same school, but I don't think it's forbidden. 00:58:06.003 --> 00:58:06.920 align:middle line:90% I haven't heard of it. 00:58:06.920 --> 00:58:10.160 align:middle line:84% But I-- certainly me and several of my peers in my program 00:58:10.160 --> 00:58:14.180 align:middle line:84% applied to math departments, to computer science departments, 00:58:14.180 --> 00:58:16.730 align:middle line:84% to operations research departments, 00:58:16.730 --> 00:58:19.310 align:middle line:84% industrial engineering departments. 00:58:19.310 --> 00:58:20.510 align:middle line:90% That's not uncommon. 00:58:20.510 --> 00:58:23.830 align:middle line:84% I applied to this interdisciplinary program 00:58:23.830 --> 00:58:25.730 align:middle line:84% and to math programs because that was really 00:58:25.730 --> 00:58:27.590 align:middle line:90% all the background I had. 00:58:27.590 --> 00:58:30.385 align:middle line:84% But I have friends and peers in my program 00:58:30.385 --> 00:58:32.010 align:middle line:84% who applied to lots of different things 00:58:32.010 --> 00:58:33.302 align:middle line:90% and then looked at the options. 00:58:33.302 --> 00:58:34.820 align:middle line:84% Because once you get in, they will-- 00:58:34.820 --> 00:58:37.040 align:middle line:84% I mean, I don't know right now because of COVID, 00:58:37.040 --> 00:58:39.665 align:middle line:84% but under normal circumstances, they'd invite you to come visit 00:58:39.665 --> 00:58:42.890 align:middle line:84% and you get to talk to faculty and talk to students 00:58:42.890 --> 00:58:45.380 align:middle line:84% and learn more about what really goes on in the department 00:58:45.380 --> 00:58:46.910 align:middle line:84% and in the program which can help 00:58:46.910 --> 00:58:49.810 align:middle line:84% you make a better informed decision than you can 00:58:49.810 --> 00:58:50.960 align:middle line:90% when you're applying. 00:58:50.960 --> 00:58:52.090 align:middle line:84% Obviously, you have to whittle down 00:58:52.090 --> 00:58:53.798 align:middle line:84% how many places you're going to apply to. 00:58:53.798 --> 00:58:54.800 align:middle line:90% You aren't going to-- 00:58:54.800 --> 00:58:58.460 align:middle line:84% don't do what my roommate did and apply to 30 places. 00:58:58.460 --> 00:59:04.375 align:middle line:84% That will drive you insane as well as be really expensive. 00:59:04.375 --> 00:59:06.500 align:middle line:84% But there's nothing wrong with applying to programs 00:59:06.500 --> 00:59:07.640 align:middle line:90% in a couple different fields. 00:59:07.640 --> 00:59:08.515 align:middle line:90% That's pretty common. 00:59:08.515 --> 00:59:11.587 align:middle line:90% 00:59:11.587 --> 00:59:13.920 align:middle line:84% ATHER SHARIF: And I would just add to that a little bit. 00:59:13.920 --> 00:59:17.490 align:middle line:90% 00:59:17.490 --> 00:59:21.155 align:middle line:84% I've known people who were in multiple departments 00:59:21.155 --> 00:59:22.530 align:middle line:84% and their research kind of aligns 00:59:22.530 --> 00:59:24.120 align:middle line:90% with multiple departments. 00:59:24.120 --> 00:59:26.580 align:middle line:84% It's also good to think about and just 00:59:26.580 --> 00:59:29.610 align:middle line:84% be smart about which department has more funding, which 00:59:29.610 --> 00:59:32.910 align:middle line:90% department has more resources. 00:59:32.910 --> 00:59:36.870 align:middle line:84% If one of them has more, I would go for that. 00:59:36.870 --> 00:59:38.860 align:middle line:84% Also depends on the advisors as well. 00:59:38.860 --> 00:59:41.940 align:middle line:84% Am I more close to one or the other? 00:59:41.940 --> 00:59:44.090 align:middle line:84% Do I have better chemistry with one or the other? 00:59:44.090 --> 00:59:48.690 align:middle line:84% And then I would just be there more. 00:59:48.690 --> 00:59:51.330 align:middle line:84% Even though, at least at the University of Washington, 00:59:51.330 --> 00:59:53.340 align:middle line:90% your main advisors-- 00:59:53.340 --> 00:59:56.800 align:middle line:84% your main advisor does not need to be in your program. 00:59:56.800 --> 00:59:59.700 align:middle line:84% So that kind of doesn't really apply that much. 00:59:59.700 --> 01:00:03.780 align:middle line:84% But in other places it might be the case. 01:00:03.780 --> 01:00:06.360 align:middle line:84% Sometimes it's a good thing to consider 01:00:06.360 --> 01:00:10.330 align:middle line:84% other things and a little bit of a broader thing. 01:00:10.330 --> 01:00:12.420 align:middle line:84% ERIN: Thank you so much for mentioning that 01:00:12.420 --> 01:00:15.560 align:middle line:90% because my current-- 01:00:15.560 --> 01:00:17.970 align:middle line:84% the research advisor I had for my DREU program 01:00:17.970 --> 01:00:19.440 align:middle line:84% really wants me as a grad student, 01:00:19.440 --> 01:00:20.982 align:middle line:84% but I know that their grad department 01:00:20.982 --> 01:00:22.890 align:middle line:90% is super competitive. 01:00:22.890 --> 01:00:26.670 align:middle line:84% So I'm like, maybe if I apply to three different grad programs 01:00:26.670 --> 01:00:28.470 align:middle line:84% at UW I'll get into one and maybe he 01:00:28.470 --> 01:00:30.270 align:middle line:90% can still be my advisor. 01:00:30.270 --> 01:00:32.910 align:middle line:84% So thank you for mentioning that. 01:00:32.910 --> 01:00:34.025 align:middle line:90% BRIANNA BLASER: Awesome. 01:00:34.025 --> 01:00:35.400 align:middle line:84% Well, thank you for that question 01:00:35.400 --> 01:00:37.230 align:middle line:84% and thank you all for joining us today 01:00:37.230 --> 01:00:41.313 align:middle line:84% and to our panelists for sharing their time and experiences. 01:00:41.313 --> 01:00:43.230 align:middle line:84% I want to make sure we're respectable of time. 01:00:43.230 --> 01:00:44.820 align:middle line:90% We're a couple minutes over. 01:00:44.820 --> 01:00:45.780 align:middle line:90% Thanks for joining us. 01:00:45.780 --> 01:00:47.715 align:middle line:90% This was a great conversation. 01:00:47.715 --> 01:00:49.090 align:middle line:84% And have a good rest of your day. 01:00:49.090 --> 01:00:52.260 align:middle line:90% 01:00:52.260 --> 01:00:53.810 align:middle line:90% Bye. 01:00:53.810 --> 01:00:55.000 align:middle line:90%